looking for evidence of home invasions that look like police no-knocks

Bud, I totally agree with your statement but I'm getting at the fact I have heard of folks carrying around the house.
And I have read some posts where folks get all excited because a stranger walks in their direction.
To me that's just a bit over the edge.
I live in the same area as Springmom and I am out at all hours of the day and night.
If I'm out alone at night I carry but the rest of the time I prefer not to.
Yes, I have been "jacked up" by a couple guys who were out of cash and needed my money. I don't carry more than 10- 15 dollars and I let them have it. Phsychological talk with them about being broke or underpaid,can't find a decent job and all of a sudden they put the toys away and we actually had a sort of "conversation" as I gave them my cash.Of course they threatened to kick my butt if I didn't. But no one got hurt because I tried to be on the same level with them.
Now that is what the CHL class was all about. Defray a situation if you can before resorting to the "shootout at the ok corral".
I lost 15 dollars and didn't have to shoot anyone. When they left I ran inside and called LEO and gave a description and details for all the good it will do.

It just seems to me like there is a few folks that would risk shooting first and trying to survive the consequences.
I don't see any reason to run around in the house armed. Heck,most cops are glad to get the weight off and relax some,which is hard to do if carrying all the time.
I'm not saying I'm right or wrong,I just don't seem to be able to understand the mentality of someone being so "paranoid".
Yes, if something happened to me I'm sure I may change my way of thinking. But that's my point. I have lived all over Houston,Tomball and this area since 1975. And in the cheapest rent places available. I hear shots in the night and sometimes strange sounds outside. But it's apartments and that's the way they are. I have had my CHL since the beginning for Texas and NEVER even had to consider drawing my pistol.
Maybe I'm lucky.
I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just trying to understand.
And yes, I am prepared when I feel the need to be,but not all the time I am awake. I have shotgun and pistol and stream dye pepper spray always ready and close at hand at home just in case. But I don't carry it around with me.
I understand being prepared,but to a certain extent.
 
Does this count?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/12/fairchild/index.html



Man charged with allegedly staging phony police raid
By Chris O'Connell
Court TV



ORLANDO, Florida (Court TV) -- When William Fairchild's friend traded her car for $70 worth of crack cocaine, police say he helped carry out an elaborate scheme to get it back from the drug dealer.

Fairchild dressed up like a sheriff's deputy, lured the dealer to a seedy motel room, kidnapped him, and then staged a fake police raid at his mother's home, according to police.

Fairchild, 47, was arrested for the bizarre November 11, 2003, incident and charged with nine felony counts, including burglary, kidnapping, impersonating a police officer, and several weapons charges.

His trial is expected to begin Monday at the 9th District Circuit Courthouse in Orlando.

If convicted on all counts, Fairchild faces life in prison without parole.

Police say Linda Galceran gave her Chevy Malibu to drug dealer Tyson Cummings in exchange for seven $10 rocks of crack cocaine on November 10, 2003.

Galceran's boyfriend, Troy McPhillips, was furious when he learned about the trade, and the couple went looking for the car while smoking crack, according to statements McPhillips later gave to police.

When the search proved fruitless, police say, they hatched a plan with Fairchild to get the car back.

Galceran called Cummings and ordered $150 of cocaine. She told him to meet her in a motel room on the outskirts of Orlando.

When Cummings showed up, Fairchild burst out of the bathroom dressed in the orange-and-blue uniform of the Orange County Sheriff's Department, Cummings told police in a statement.

Fairchild handcuffed Cummings and threatened to hurt him if he didn't get the car back, according to police. He also demanded money and more crack.

Fairchild forced Cummings into a car, and with McPhillips and Galceran, they went searching for the Chevy Malibu. Several hours later, Fairchild's threats became more violent and Cummings feared for his life, he told police.

Cummings said he lied to Fairchild and told him there was four ounces of cocaine and several thousand dollars stashed in a china cabinet at his mother's house. Cummings made up the story, he said, because he hoped his mother, Gloria Brown, would help him escape.

Phony raid
Brown was at home cooking breakfast for her family when Galceran and Fairchild, who was still dressed as a sheriff's deputy, came through her front door.

Fairchild allegedly pointed a handgun at her and another son and ordered everyone to lie on the floor while they searched a china cabinet for drugs and money, according to police.

The raid was brief, and the two fake cops soon left empty-handed.

Brown immediately called police. When officers arrived, she told Orlando Police detective Marlon McClain that her son, Tyson, was involved in drugs and that she suspected the fake raid had something to do with that.

While McClain interviewed family members, Tyson called the house and told his brother to bring several thousand dollars and "what was in the cabinet" to a white van on a street corner, according to McClain's report.

Police located the van near the rendezvous point and arrested Fairchild, Galceran and McPhillips.

Fairchild was still in his fake cop outfit and Galceran was wearing clothes that vaguely resembled the uniform, police said. Police also recovered a Glock 9 mm handgun and a gun belt.

Police found Cummings sitting in the rear of the vehicle, unharmed but handcuffed.

At the time of the arrest, Orlando Police Sgt. James Stewart told local TV news stations that the raid was especially alarming because the uniform Fairchild was wearing, while several years old, was nearly indistinguishable from the real thing.

"Just to look at it, most people, even other law enforcement agencies, would not have noticed that particular patch had been expired," Stewart said.

Police have not said how Fairchild obtained the uniform.

The trial is expected to last three days. Court TV Extra is streaming the trial live.
 
Using the terms "home invasions police impersonators" on Google, I just now got 99,300 hits (in 0.24 seconds mind you) in places like (in order of first 10 listed) Stockbridge GA, Tallahassee, West Philly, Atlanta, Pennsylvania, Fair Oaks CA, Las Vegas NV, Pompano Beach, East Norriton Township, Vancouver BC... tho' a couple of these were "What to do if..." scenarios posted by local police depts. Most recent, Sept 14 2006 (the first one posted).

Don't know if they fit the bill as "No-Knock" type raids, some reading would be in order.

Paranoid? Prepared? To continue in a letter "P" alliteration mode, Piss Poor Prior Planning Prevents Proper Procedure Producing Panic & Personal Pain... or something like that. (I can't spell, rhyme or write prose very well but I find alliteration alluring... a cheap trick)

Life is a gamble. Eh? What's at stake? Ante up or fold yer cards. Let come what may or deal the cards from your own stacked deck. Simple to complex solutions, one man's solution does not fit all. (I can't even mix a metaphor or stylize similes correctly)
 
Scary stuff...

Criminals that are tactical and clever aren't as prevalent, yet still probably the worst of them. No-knock raids and JBTs breaking in are both scary, cause way too much confusion for the homeowner. What can citizens do? What can police do?


Epyon
 
this just happened to an older couple that go to my church he didnt cooperate at all with the BGs and when they said that they would kill him if he didnt give up the combo to his safe he pretty much said "screw you, i dare you to kill me" which i know isnt smart but coming from this old guy it must have been stunning to the BGs at least.
 
Off Topic, but...

Carter said:
Am I paranoid about a hurricane going over my house?... or am I prepared?
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Neither. I taped up my windows with duct tape prior to the arrival of hurricane Andrew. I learned that when a flying piece of a neighbor's roof hits a duct-taped window at 150 mph, the window shatters all over the room anyway.

The few windows that survived the storm had duct tape on them for a couple of weeks, while we all had better things to do. Removing it was no fun. All in all, a waste of time putting it up, and more time wasted getting it back off. Don't bother wasting perfectly good duct tape if a storm approaches.
 
Just considering doubletaptap's post here for a second it seems to me like you may be on the wrong board here. I agree with Springmom (I usually do though) on this, ditch the paranoid talk. You make it seem like people who have a plan and happen to be aware of their surroundings are "paranoid" psychos who think the world is out to get them. I'm glad you were able to defuse your situation and only lost 15 bucks, but I think it was Bud who said in another post that "you can't trust a criminal not to harm you, just because they say they won't if you comply". I hope you never need your firearm at home or otherwise, but if you ever do and you don't have it you'll be whistling a different tune about who's paranoid. And Bud and Staff forgive me because I know this is a bad example but, it's early and it's the only one I got. Everybody thought Burt in Tremors was nuts, but when they needed firepower who suddenly wasn't paranoid in anymore?? Just my thoughts.

P.S I'm not real sure as to the quality of your posts, but it seems from this:

09-14-2006, 07:54 PM #10
Doubletaptap
Senior Member
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that you may be more about quantity than quality. Just something to think on, no offense meant.
 
I think it is AWESOME that Burt in Tremors has now been used as an example.

There's no shame in it, and it's not a poor example just because he's fictional. The same thing happens in real life.


-azurefly
 
Authorities said if you're ever suspicious of someone who shows up at your door and claims to be a police officer, you can always call 911.
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That's from the article Jericho9mm linked to.

I find it very, verrrry comforting. :rolleyes:


"Wait here, o trio of home invaders, whilst I verify thy story with those I know to be actual police. I pray thee not force thy way in during the meanwhilst, nor fire upon my visage in annoyance."


-azurefly
 
Yes, I have been "jacked up" by a couple guys who were out of cash and needed my money. I don't carry more than 10- 15 dollars and I let them have it. Phsychological talk with them about being broke or underpaid,can't find a decent job and all of a sudden they put the toys away and we actually had a sort of "conversation" as I gave them my cash.Of course they threatened to kick my butt if I didn't. But no one got hurt because I tried to be on the same level with them.
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Mad Martigan...

Set phasers from stun to tickle!! Oh by the way, off topic but if you know this joke in Klingon it's even funnier. "Two Ferengis walk into a bar and I killed them both!"


Epyon
 
Yes, I have been "jacked up" by a couple guys who were out of cash and needed my money. I don't carry more than 10- 15 dollars and I let them have it. Phsychological talk with them about being broke or underpaid,can't find a decent job and all of a sudden they put the toys away and we actually had a sort of "conversation" as I gave them my cash.Of course they threatened to kick my butt if I didn't. But no one got hurt because I tried to be on the same level with them.
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I've been mulling that one over for days myself and still can't come to grips with it considering that so many of the murders that I have read about seem to be gang initiations where the object isn't so much to steal a wallet, but to be initiated into a gang by killing someone.

What it really comes down to is that some people are more comfortable with being a morally superior victim rather than being thought of as someone who "ruthlessly" (my word) uses force to defend themselves because they simply refuse to be victim of ANY crime.
In the UK, victimhood has been elevated to a national art now that people have been charged and convicted of defending themselves in their own homes in the middle of the night and sent to jail for years.

Springmom speaks for me with her sign off line: "I will not be a victim".
I'm starting to wonder if the poster of that quote above may actually be an anti-gun activist who joined here to work their "wonders", just as I (I confess) joined the Democratic underground to have some of my kind of fun. (Yea, I got banned within a few days... I couldn't help myself. ;)

Carter
 
You all come up with some good humor!!!:p
I simply meant that to my mind there is no reason to be armed 24/7 even in your home on daily routine. To my way of thinking it borders on paranoia.Sorry.
If I get caught "unprepared" I will have to answer for it. I understand and accept that, and whatever comes with it.
I just read some of these posts of people "armed and ready" all day long at home and it's really kind of scary because a person in that mindset is (I think) more apt to make a mistake because of the worry of something bad happening.Some of them are good Christian folks too. I don't understand being a armed at home all day Christian either,but that's for God to sort out.
I was taught to act like you don't have a gun and try to resolve the situation without it. If push comes to shove,use the gun.So I act accordingly.
Luckily I have only been a victim once and although I lost some money,I didn't have to shoot a couple of punk kids.
Maybe next time it'll be different,God only knows.

The Klingons have the right idea I guess,kill em' all and then we don't have to worry about them bothering us!:rolleyes:

I'm not getting down on anyone. I just don't understand constantly worrying about somebody messing up my day so I got to shoot them.
I am one person out of millions. Chances of me getting into a situation are almost as like winning the lotto. I don't worry, I live free and enjoy my life as much as I can.
I feel if I spent every waking moment "being prepared" it wouldn't be much of a life for me.
If I get killed, I was going to die anyway. I have no family or anyone to worry about me. I take care of myself and have been doing just fine as is for 55 years now.
Just my opinion and no one take offense please. I just state my opinion.
 
That was very well stated reply Doubletaptap. Hopefully I did not offend in my earlier post. I guess everyone varies on what they think is the best level of "readiness" for them. I tend to live in a high crime major city so I'm always in a more alert condition than I would assume someone in the suburbs or country would be normally be. I don't carry in the house, but I do have quickly accessible weapons. I pray I never have to harm anyone in any sense, but if it comes to me or them I want them to be on the losing side. I think we can all agree on that point. :)
 
I see your point but the thing is I think that for most of us, it's not a constant worry/paranoia/stressing thing to be armed 24/7, but rather a habitual thing and no more out of the ordinary than wearing a watch 24/7. It's an alertness mindset mostly which becomes habitual and just amounts to paying attention to ones surroundings. Along with wallet, cellphone, keys and gun. No biggie.

But when you want to talk about it and put it in print, it can easily be misconstrued to be worse sounding than it actually is through lack of inflection and body language which have a hard time making it into print onna innernet! Or so it seems to me. There may be some who are paranoid or itchy but most are not I think.
 
www.cato.org/raidmap

Criminals that are tactical and clever aren't as prevalent, yet still probably the worst of them.
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Trust me, there's a lot of people that want you to pretend they don't exist. Sure, the chances of you ever encountering them are low, but your odds of being carjacked are equally low, and I don't see discussions about tactics for that being shut down for lack of plausibility.

If some scumbag has to do a 'warm' home invasion to get something he wants? You better believe he'll cash in on the legacy of no-knocks and gear his guys out in tactical black and try to make it seem like a SWAT raid. They wouldn't be hitting drug dealers or people liable to fight back- instead they'll make the most of it and go for someone innocent who would be nice little sheep. Look at the families in the news hit by fake no-knocks- were they dealers? Mafia? Crooks?

So, it's not being shady or not. It's having something valuable and liquid (or desirable) that other people know about.
 
Trying to answer the original question on this thread, it has happened; criminals have used that technique. Along with the original question, there have been cases when the police have hit the wrong house when executing a warrant. It’s a valid question in either case and it’s a problem as to a response when you’re dealing with either issue.

If a good criminal crew hits your house, it’s likely you wouldn’t know they weren’t law enforcement until it was too late. If it’s a good tactical police team hitting your house, they’ll likely be on top of you before you can respond. Either way, the situation is probably going to be ugly.

Case in point- I live in a rural area. There is a long “non-public” road that serves a number of houses. I live in one of those houses. I had the police come to my door at all hours of the day and night while attempting to answer a problem at one of the houses along the road. (I have since conspicuously posted my address on my house to end that problem.)

It seems one of the residents in one of the houses was having some domestic issues and also dealing drugs. It didn’t take me too long to figure out that there was a chance of a warrant being served and the wrong house being hit- hence my making a clear posting of my address on my house.

All I can say is that had my front door been kicked in, I’d have been at the top of the stairs- armed. I’d probably be listening to the team going through the house, yelling, “Police”. I’d probably be at the top of the steps yelling, “Police Officer”. It’d be a no-win situation.

When the dust settled, I’d be able to articulate that I know criminals use that technique to rob people and that’s why I attempted to stop the entry. The police would be able to articulate they had a warrant and mistakenly hit the wrong house.

If it was a real police tactical team, I’d probably be dead. I’d have a good funeral. There’d be a lot of “red-faced” state police officers attending.

If it was a criminal crew, I may survive. And, I’d be a hero. :rolleyes:

But, it is something to think about.

But, bullets would have been flying and who's to say who was right in the light of day. Either way, there'd be dead people.

But, it is something to think about. Since, I work strange hours, my wife and I have had talks about the whole issue. That's because she answered the door at 2 AM when a trooper came knocking. She immediately thought I had been hurt at work. He was looking for the house I mentioned above. It turned out okay because by the time my wife got done ripping him a new one; he was a very apologetic guy. But, had it been a team executing a warrant, she’d have probably been shot since she keeps a gun by the bed.

Ugly either way!
 
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