Looking At 5 diffrent pistols! Need any and all advice!
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ojibweindian
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Beats me as to which gun you should get, although I hear the "Clock 17" is accurate to 1/10,000 of a second! 
Seriously, though, of all you have mentioned, I've been lead to understand that the Walther is a great gun. Very few complaints, if any, have been posted.
BTW, welcome!
Seriously, though, of all you have mentioned, I've been lead to understand that the Walther is a great gun. Very few complaints, if any, have been posted.
BTW, welcome!
To each his own, but I would stay away...FAR AWAY...from the SigPro models. I handled one a while back and was very disappointed. If you like 'em...more power to ya. Stick with the Sig Classic series. I have no experience with the Walther P99 but I doubt it would have such a following if it were not for 007. The Beretta has a huge following, but I have limited experience with it. I have a friend who swears by his, and it did pass the military tests. You can't argue with the Glock. What can I say? It is ugly, but it works, and keeps on working. You really haven't listed any guns that would rank near my first choice. Perhaps if you listed the criteria (size, caliber, capacity, etc.) you are looking for in a handgun, some people could offer suggestions.
I owned a Sig P239 for three years, and when I picked up a Sig Pro Series pistol it just felt like a piece of junk in my hand. The ergonomics just aren't there, IMO.
Sold that P239 to fund the purchase of a Glock 19, and haven't been disappointed in the least.
Omitting the two Sig's that you mentioned, my personal order for the remaining pistols would be: G17, Walther P99, and Beretta 92.
If you really like the P239, I'd urge you to take a look at the P229 as a full-size complimentary piece (unless part of your search is to get a different manufacturer into your collection).
Sold that P239 to fund the purchase of a Glock 19, and haven't been disappointed in the least.
Omitting the two Sig's that you mentioned, my personal order for the remaining pistols would be: G17, Walther P99, and Beretta 92.
If you really like the P239, I'd urge you to take a look at the P229 as a full-size complimentary piece (unless part of your search is to get a different manufacturer into your collection).
The "Super Reliable" Beretta 92 that blew a Marine's jaw off when the slide separated? That injured 3 other people in similar accidents?
That under USAF requirements has 2 slides for every weapon, which will be alternated every 1500 rounds while the other slide goes back to the factory to be magnafluxed for cracks?
That required a factory quick-fix of a pin to prevent the slide from taking off another person's jaw WHEN (not IF) it fails?
That passed military trials through a likely combination of kickbacks and bribes, after being outshot by the Ruger and the Browning?
THAT Beretta 92?
1911A1. CZ. Sig P226. Browning HP. Glock (gotta love the combat tupperware!). Taurus if you want a revolver, since S&W no longer exists.
That under USAF requirements has 2 slides for every weapon, which will be alternated every 1500 rounds while the other slide goes back to the factory to be magnafluxed for cracks?
That required a factory quick-fix of a pin to prevent the slide from taking off another person's jaw WHEN (not IF) it fails?
That passed military trials through a likely combination of kickbacks and bribes, after being outshot by the Ruger and the Browning?
THAT Beretta 92?
1911A1. CZ. Sig P226. Browning HP. Glock (gotta love the combat tupperware!). Taurus if you want a revolver, since S&W no longer exists.
I agree with Sundance, I would run like hell from the "SigPro's".
Save a little extra cash and buy a Sig-Sauer "classic" P-series
auto-loader. I put "SigPro's" in the same class with Smith &
Wesson's "Sigma" line of autoloader's. Two totally different
firearms; but for the most part both are reduced to P.O.S.
status.
From the choice's you listed, the Glock 17 is
the way to go. 
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
Save a little extra cash and buy a Sig-Sauer "classic" P-series
auto-loader. I put "SigPro's" in the same class with Smith &
Wesson's "Sigma" line of autoloader's. Two totally different
firearms; but for the most part both are reduced to P.O.S.
status.
From the choice's you listed, the Glock 17 isthe way to go.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
Sundance,
I've lived in BamaLand all my life; and just like fooling with
firearms, I've been a Tennessee Vol fan since the age of 7.
Again like firearms, the history and nostaliga of Tennessee
football are valued treaure's that I hold very dearly. Just
like my choice of Sig-Sauer auto-loader's; if I were a senior
in high school looking for the ultimate challenge in sport's,
The University of Tennessee is where I would want to be.
Of course, it does help household matters that the wife
is from Sevierville, TN; and that is still what she calls home.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
I've lived in BamaLand all my life; and just like fooling with
firearms, I've been a Tennessee Vol fan since the age of 7.
Again like firearms, the history and nostaliga of Tennessee
football are valued treaure's that I hold very dearly. Just
like my choice of Sig-Sauer auto-loader's; if I were a senior
in high school looking for the ultimate challenge in sport's,
The University of Tennessee is where I would want to be.
Of course, it does help household matters that the wife
is from Sevierville, TN; and that is still what she calls home.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
I don't have any experience with the SigPro line. But if you like your Sig P239, you might consider another Sig Classic. Personally, I'd go with a 220, 225, or 226.
I'm not a big fan of the Beretta. The gun is really, really big. Make sure you can reach the DA trigger. I don't like the slide mounted safety/decocker (harder to reach than a frame mounted safety and easier to inadvertently activate while manipulating the slide) and I don't like the way it works (it works in the opposite direction from a 1911 safety). One advantage is that standard cap mags are widely available and are relatively inexpensive.
The Glock 17 is certain a reliable choice. I like the fact that the trigger is consistent (I'm not a big DA/SA fan). I don't like that it is consistently creepy and crunchy with a gross plastic "sproing" when the striker finally trips. It does have a very short trigger stroke so it can be shot very quickly. Standard cap mags are available, but are getting pricey. It also has a nice low bore axis.
I haven't tried the Walther, so I can't help you there.
M1911
I'm not a big fan of the Beretta. The gun is really, really big. Make sure you can reach the DA trigger. I don't like the slide mounted safety/decocker (harder to reach than a frame mounted safety and easier to inadvertently activate while manipulating the slide) and I don't like the way it works (it works in the opposite direction from a 1911 safety). One advantage is that standard cap mags are widely available and are relatively inexpensive.
The Glock 17 is certain a reliable choice. I like the fact that the trigger is consistent (I'm not a big DA/SA fan). I don't like that it is consistently creepy and crunchy with a gross plastic "sproing" when the striker finally trips. It does have a very short trigger stroke so it can be shot very quickly. Standard cap mags are available, but are getting pricey. It also has a nice low bore axis.
I haven't tried the Walther, so I can't help you there.
M1911
CastleBravo
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Go with the one that feels best to you. They are all good brands and you have about the same odds of getting a clunker or a winner.
All fine guns. How could you go wrong?
My Beretta M9 version has over 5000 rounds through it without any appreciable wear. If Beretta's were so fragile, how come you don't hear about civilian Beretta's blowing up? How about the thousands of Berettas in LEO hands? There are many around from before the military trials, certainly they couldn't have changed the design for those pistols. If I recall, the slide cracking problems with military M9's were traced to rouns loaded to proof levels. During the military trials, thousands of NATO rounds went through each gun tested. No damage to those guns.
Rugers and Browning HiPowers may have been more accurate than the Berettas during the military tests, but accuracy was only part of the tests. Only the Beretta 92 and SIG 226 actually passed the complete tests. The Beretta beat the SIG 226 on price.
My Beretta M9 version has over 5000 rounds through it without any appreciable wear. If Beretta's were so fragile, how come you don't hear about civilian Beretta's blowing up? How about the thousands of Berettas in LEO hands? There are many around from before the military trials, certainly they couldn't have changed the design for those pistols. If I recall, the slide cracking problems with military M9's were traced to rouns loaded to proof levels. During the military trials, thousands of NATO rounds went through each gun tested. No damage to those guns.
Rugers and Browning HiPowers may have been more accurate than the Berettas during the military tests, but accuracy was only part of the tests. Only the Beretta 92 and SIG 226 actually passed the complete tests. The Beretta beat the SIG 226 on price.
Johnny Rad
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Beretta's 92/96 series has the smoothest action I' ve ever handled - albeit I've got a rather small sample size. Pull that slide back and it seems like it's floating.
However, if you;re looking for a smaller pistol (as I was), look no farther than Walther's P99 or Glock's model 19. Walther has an incredible ergonomic design and Glcok has an incredibly devout following of happy shooters. Personally, I chose the Walther P99 and haven't looked back!
However, if you;re looking for a smaller pistol (as I was), look no farther than Walther's P99 or Glock's model 19. Walther has an incredible ergonomic design and Glcok has an incredibly devout following of happy shooters. Personally, I chose the Walther P99 and haven't looked back!
slickpuppy
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Out of those choices I would be inclined to say go for the Glock 17. You can always let your dog use it as a chew toy and it still works fine.
For me, the only Walthers worth owning are the PP, European PPK, and GSP models.
For me, the only Walthers worth owning are the PP, European PPK, and GSP models.
bad_dad_brad
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Of those pistols listed, I have only one, the Glock 17. I like this pistol very much. But as much as like it, I bought a Glock 19 soon after, and I love this pistol.
Just the right size, fits my small hands like a glove. This SIGs and the 92FS do not fit my hands - too big.
Don't know about the SIG Pro, but any of the other SIGs, the 92FS, or the Glocks will be excellent choices.
I just really like Glocks because they work for me and they are very reliable.
Just the right size, fits my small hands like a glove. This SIGs and the 92FS do not fit my hands - too big.
Don't know about the SIG Pro, but any of the other SIGs, the 92FS, or the Glocks will be excellent choices.
I just really like Glocks because they work for me and they are very reliable.
Mark IV Series 80
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Of the ones you mention, the Glock is rated to handle 9mm NATO ammo, and Beretta says that their 92 series pistols will handle +P+ but note that it will shorten the life of the gun.
The Ruger P89 will also safely fire NATO and +P+ ammo.
I like the option of shooting surplus NATO ammo.
I would think that in a "Shoot until it breaks" torture test, the Glock would go longer without any major parts breaking.
Probably more important to you, is the way the pistol shoots and feels in your hand. Try to borrow or rent an example of each before you decide.
The Ruger P89 will also safely fire NATO and +P+ ammo.
I like the option of shooting surplus NATO ammo.
I would think that in a "Shoot until it breaks" torture test, the Glock would go longer without any major parts breaking.
Probably more important to you, is the way the pistol shoots and feels in your hand. Try to borrow or rent an example of each before you decide.
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