Palmetto-Pride
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Man I love your confidence.................let us know how killing game at 1000 yds works out for ya......
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Man I love your confidence.................let us know how killing game at 1000 yds works out for ya......
mapsjanhere
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What kind of matches Kraig? Matches limited to US military style rifles or matches for 1000 yard shooters with free choice of weapon?
Need to learn to walk before you can run. Start at 300 yards and work your way up.
Try Hornady 60 grain V-Max #22281, BC 0.265 SD 0.171 (not for large game) C.O.L. 2.250, powder IMR 8208 XBR (load to your rifle for pressure) max fps 3,000.
In one of these: 24 inch barrel, 1:9 twist.
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I had no problems putting 10rds in the head of a modified E target (man sillohuette) at 500m consistently with open sites year after year... and no problem hitting bulls-eyes in USMC rifle matches 6-800m with open sites. If you're looking for a long-range paper puncher, the 5.56/.223 is still a good option to 1000+, but you need to have the skill. There is no magic cartridge load that will reach that far forgivingly.
If you're looking for a long-range knockdown... look at something chambered in 7.62x51 (.308) like the SR-25 REPR or .30-06 in a bolt-action.
Either way, shooting out that far you'll want to look at some good optics. The front site post of an M4/M16 covers the entire modified E target at 500m, and almost the entire target/background at 6-800m... so good optics and learn how to use the trajectory knobs, as you won't want to "Kentucky windage" a round at that distance.
If you're looking for a long-range knockdown... look at something chambered in 7.62x51 (.308) like the SR-25 REPR or .30-06 in a bolt-action.
Either way, shooting out that far you'll want to look at some good optics. The front site post of an M4/M16 covers the entire modified E target at 500m, and almost the entire target/background at 6-800m... so good optics and learn how to use the trajectory knobs, as you won't want to "Kentucky windage" a round at that distance.
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That's pretty close.
The average width of the front sight on the M16/AR is .063-.065, meaning it will completely cover the 19 inch E-Shillette at 300 yards.
Which means you can use it as a range finder. If the front sight is twice the width of the target, its 600 yards away, if the front sight is half the width of the front sight, its 150 yards away.
With a bit of practice you can get pretty accurate with your range finding using the iron sights.
The average width of the front sight on the M16/AR is .063-.065, meaning it will completely cover the 19 inch E-Shillette at 300 yards.
Which means you can use it as a range finder. If the front sight is twice the width of the target, its 600 yards away, if the front sight is half the width of the front sight, its 150 yards away.
With a bit of practice you can get pretty accurate with your range finding using the iron sights.
Timeout, are we talking killing animals at say 700 yards or putting holes in paper at 700 yards?
For paper the easy choice is 6.5 grendel. Can .223 do it? Yep. Is it better than the 6.5? Nope.
If you are building/buying with that goal/mission in mind why not get the better option? Rifles chambered in 6.5 Grendel do tend to be a little more expensive though as compared to the exact same rifle chambered in .223 for whatever reason. 6.5 Grendel also prefers a 22" barrel at a minimum if you are pushing it out far, and you are.
Now for hunting at a long distance. I am going to point you towards an AR-10 (.308) or a .300 WIN MAG bolt action or something else .30 cal or larger. Maybe .338 Lapua. What do you want to shoot at long distances for animals? You are going to need enough retained energy in the round to be able to do damage to the animal to ensure you can kill it. Neither the .223 nor the 6.5 will have poop for energy at the distances you are talking about. I think you need to reconsider what exactly you are trying to accomplish.
Check this out, these guys are using a .338 Lapua. You need energy at distance.
For paper the easy choice is 6.5 grendel. Can .223 do it? Yep. Is it better than the 6.5? Nope.
If you are building/buying with that goal/mission in mind why not get the better option? Rifles chambered in 6.5 Grendel do tend to be a little more expensive though as compared to the exact same rifle chambered in .223 for whatever reason. 6.5 Grendel also prefers a 22" barrel at a minimum if you are pushing it out far, and you are.
Now for hunting at a long distance. I am going to point you towards an AR-10 (.308) or a .300 WIN MAG bolt action or something else .30 cal or larger. Maybe .338 Lapua. What do you want to shoot at long distances for animals? You are going to need enough retained energy in the round to be able to do damage to the animal to ensure you can kill it. Neither the .223 nor the 6.5 will have poop for energy at the distances you are talking about. I think you need to reconsider what exactly you are trying to accomplish.
Check this out, these guys are using a .338 Lapua. You need energy at distance.
I've done it on paper consistantly for years with a 5.56/.223 as have many others. Bottom line, as I said in my previous post... there is no magic cartridge that will replace marksmanship. No cartridge is forgiving for marksmanship errors, or lack of ability. If everyone could shoot that far, and do it well, we would all be snipers and there would be no need for Stone Bay or any other Marksmanship Training Unit.
You can quote whatever ballistics you want, I don't care. You are entitled to your opinion... but I've seen with my own eyes and my own trigger finger, and my own range score cards, consistent results day in and day out with the 5.56/.223