Lone Star Cards/Welfare & Illegals?

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Nietzsche a racist? hah...

his sister's husband perhaps (a reich member). he sure twisted friedrich's works, particularly Will to Power, to justify his own ideology and agenda, "ubermensch" wasn't to be taken literally. it was a model of individual thought, elaborating on Kant philosophy. Somehow I'd doubt Nietzsche would have influenced Dali, if he really was racist.

and it should be of no surprise, that maybe the "illegals" merely seek a better life of opportunity here, the way irish, poles, and italians once did.
 
irish, poles, and italians once did
And how many of those snuck in over the border or were processed LEGALLY AND WITH SPONSORS at Ellis Island?
Get your head out of the philosophy books babe!:rolleyes:
Academia has no relation to the "real" world.
If your head is filled up with all that "heady" crap, no wonder you can't see the threat of unstemmed illegal immigration!
 
Dasboot

Sorry for the confusion, those are two programs I know of where I am at that the local LE gets federal funding

click it or ticket is for seat belts and then the 101 days of summer is supposed to be a zero tolerance anti-speeding campaign (understand I was "briefed" on both of these as part of my inprocessing to my new duty station... if my briefing was inaccurate I apologise.... my main point is that most local LE do not get federal funding for immigration issues. I have listened to people complain that local LE does not get help from the feds for immigration (3 years less than 20Km from the border) I would definitly have to get much deeper into research to prove these claims, however I believe them to be true, especially federal money supprting local LE on Illegals.

I do remember AZ filing suit against the fed govt for compensation over illegal activities.

sorry if I confused you

NWC

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Polymer
I used to stick frame semi-custom homes.....never saw an 'illegal' on the job. my current job uses 'analytical' skills, I just wanted make sure you understood. but one thin we agree on is

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if they're going to come here, they need to learn English, period.
why, because english is the language immigrants used to learn....
 
dasboot, all I see is paranoia. fear of "the brown man".

the only thing I have to worry about is getting blindsided by oblivious idiots in Suburbans on I-35.

newworld, even LULAC recognizes English as the US language (I don't even care about LULAC, and I'm hispanic, though texan as a horned toad) I don't want them coming over here to mooch off the system anymore than you do. The very least they can do is learn the language of our country.
 
I live in San Marcos, TX. I'm surrounded by idiot hick mentality, people whose minds apparently haven't evolved much.

Dang, if i lived in a place that bad i would move to California...:rolleyes:
 
heh, not me. I'm near Austin, so it's not too bad...could be worse. I could live in Orange or Vidor.

I'm not worried about these hicks, illegals, or terrorists floating over on inner tubes, with AKs. I'm more concerned with CPSC laws. I should be able to purchase solvents or Erlenmeyer flasks without hassle, I ain't making meth.
 
Dang Poly, me espousa is from Vidor, and I am about 1 1/2 hours from Vidor and orange depending on the roads I take.....now....and my wife considers herself texana (SP?)

yesterday I "escorted" a bro of mine out to the middle of nowhere to get his scooter fixed, one of my other bros could not have accompanied us, due to his not fitting the "profile"....we passed several "rebel flags" and one house that had a sign of "southern by the grace of god" Man I have no room in my life for racism (I understand the geography of the areas you are talking about)

I had to look up LULAC League of Latin American citizens, I am unfortunately disappointed that they are so racist, what about immigrants from other areas of the world? What about Asians? What about Afrikans? What about anybody from an area of the world that is not "Latin"

Not trying to start a flame war, but I support legal immigrants from every where.

NWC

NWC
 
exactly.

I don't believe in a free ride for any ethnicity...gotta work for yours.

I'll down brews with good ol' boys too, it doesn't matter; I just have little patience for petty ignorance like racism, but I also have little tolerance for fools who play out their stereotypes like a cliché; blacks, mexicans, whites, asians, whatever.

I say strong regulation on immigration, in these supposedly dangerous times; close off the borders, I don't give a sh!t. It's just pretty ridiculous to view mexicans coming in as a threat, the same was viewed of the blacks as they migrated north.

I've heard of a young black man beaten, and dragged around Vidor from the back of a pickup truck a few years ago. I've also heard of the racially polar projects in Vidor; pretty sad state of affairs. Ehh, I still love this state, it's home.
 
I love this article. And it comes from the Christian Science Monitor, a newspaper usually respected for its international coverage and certainly not "racist" in any way at all.

(And, yes, _ILLEGAL_ immigration is the problem. I think immigration in general is a great thing and an important part of what makes the US a great place. But we have to have laws on these things and they HAVE to be enforced. My wife immigrated from Canada and it took years and was a giant pain in the backside. Maybe she should have just walked across somewhere and worked illegally?)

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

George W. Bush isn't the first Republican president to face a full-blown immigration crisis on the US-Mexican border.

Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.

President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents - less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.

Although there is little to no record of this operation in Ike's official papers, one piece of historic evidence indicates how he felt. In 1951, Ike wrote a letter to Sen. William Fulbright (D) of Arkansas. The senator had just proposed that a special commission be created by Congress to examine unethical conduct by government officials who accepted gifts and favors in exchange for special treatment of private individuals.

General Eisenhower, who was gearing up for his run for the presidency, said "Amen" to Senator Fulbright's proposal. He then quoted a report in The New York Times, highlighting one paragraph that said: "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government."

Years later, the late Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said in an interview with this writer that the president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took office.

America "was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large scale," Mr. Brownell said. "When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint."

Although an on-and-off guest-worker program for Mexicans was operating at the time, farmers and ranchers in the Southwest had become dependent on an additional low-cost, docile, illegal labor force of up to 3 million, mostly Mexican, laborers.

According to the Handbook of Texas Online, published by the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association, this illegal workforce had a severe impact on the wages of ordinary working Americans. The Handbook Online reports that a study by the President's Commission on Migratory Labor in Texas in 1950 found that cotton growers in the Rio Grande Valley, where most illegal aliens in Texas worked, paid wages that were "approximately half" the farm wages paid elsewhere in the state.

Profits from illegal labor led to the kind of corruption that apparently worried Eisenhower. Joseph White, a retired 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol, says that in the early 1950s, some senior US officials overseeing immigration enforcement "had friends among the ranchers," and agents "did not dare" arrest their illegal workers.

Walt Edwards, who joined the Border Patrol in 1951, tells a similar story. He says: "When we caught illegal aliens on farms and ranches, the farmer or rancher would often call and complain [to officials in El Paso]. And depending on how politically connected they were, there would be political intervention. That is how we got into this mess we are in now."

Bill Chambers, who worked for a combined 33 years for the Border Patrol and the then-called US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), says politically powerful people are still fueling the flow of illegals.

During the 1950s, however, this "Good Old Boy" system changed under Eisenhower - if only for about 10 years.

In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.

Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing's close connections to the president shielded him - and the Border Patrol - from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.

One of Swing's first decisive acts was to transfer certain entrenched immigration officials out of the border area to other regions of the country where their political connections with people such as Senator Johnson would have no effect.

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.

Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.

The sea voyage was "a rough trip, and they did not like it," says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.

Mr. Coppock says he "cannot understand why [President] Bush let [today's] problem get away from him as it has. I guess it was his compassionate conservatism, and trying to please [Mexican President] Vincente Fox."

There are now said to be 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Of the Mexicans who live here, an estimated 85 percent are here illegally.
 
Hey Poly, my wife is hispanic, her current employment puts her in contact with serveral "arab-americans", the often ask her if she is "arab", and if she learned arabic and donned a hijab, you couldn't tell the difference.

As for the problems in Vidor, well lets just say if anyone tried to conduct a similar operation on one of my family...well they would meet resistance, before and after........

Guess the bottom line is, its not the people, it the openess of the border wether it is canada or mexico
 
yeah, I know what you mean. My gf is hispanic too, from Mercedes (McAllen area), people think she's egyptian. lol

I guess I agree that the influx of immigrants needs to be tightly controlled; I've seen a few reports on those ms-13 gang members, and that mildly concerns me as well, as does the drug cartel violence in Nuevo Laredo. Certainly don't want that spilling over here.
 
Besides all the insults and just overall bad manners in this thread, it has wondered so far off the original post as to be off topic.

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