Jeff Thomas
New member
cdf, 12-34hom, you two were posting at exactly the same time I was - I want to respond to both of you.
cdf, TFL is not full of cop-haters, and it is a bastion of support for honest LEO's - which, again, is the vast majority of them. Many of my favorites on this forum have been LEO's or reserve LEO's. It's the easy way out to simply say we don't like cops. But LEO's occasionally deserve criticism.
The truth is, some of us don't like the crap LEO's have gotten into, as well as some of the tactics. That is just as much (if not more) an issue of public policy as it is police procedure. But, we all know that many of these changes have also been at the behest of LEO management. A lot of departments love the fruits of their seizures (i.e. thefts), and they like all the new equipment. It is 'unfortunate' when an innocent civilian or two gets caught in the crossfire.
I believe it was stated well above - many of us believe the 'benefits' of no-knocks are more than offset by the negatives. And, one of those negatives is that you are creating a huge number of people who are losing respect for LEO's. Continue these policies, and you will probably increase the number of people who view LEO's as a threat - not as a community resource. This is a natural consequence of such behavior.
12-34hom, my friend, I would respectfully ask you to step back and think hard about your 'Drug War'. Yes, it is bad stuff, in varying degrees. Some of the illegal drugs are real killers, and some of it is probably less damaging than your beer. So what? Your 'War' isn't going to end this - it just makes it a more profitable industry. Alcohol Prohibition is a very good, almost perfect analogy for what we are currently experiencing. Consider reading a book called 'Drug Crazy'.
Keep up your 'Drug War', and you'll kill more LEO's, more BG's, more civilians, and the drug industry will still get bigger. What's the point? I see this as analygous to many of the gun debates - we don't want to punish bad behavior, we want to banish products and substances. And, strip our rights. Is that one of the goals?
Drugs aren't going to go away, but our civil rights are certainly headed south. I hope I can still buy government beer when this is all over ... maybe we'll have Shiner Bock approved by the DEA?
Take care.
cdf, TFL is not full of cop-haters, and it is a bastion of support for honest LEO's - which, again, is the vast majority of them. Many of my favorites on this forum have been LEO's or reserve LEO's. It's the easy way out to simply say we don't like cops. But LEO's occasionally deserve criticism.
The truth is, some of us don't like the crap LEO's have gotten into, as well as some of the tactics. That is just as much (if not more) an issue of public policy as it is police procedure. But, we all know that many of these changes have also been at the behest of LEO management. A lot of departments love the fruits of their seizures (i.e. thefts), and they like all the new equipment. It is 'unfortunate' when an innocent civilian or two gets caught in the crossfire.
I believe it was stated well above - many of us believe the 'benefits' of no-knocks are more than offset by the negatives. And, one of those negatives is that you are creating a huge number of people who are losing respect for LEO's. Continue these policies, and you will probably increase the number of people who view LEO's as a threat - not as a community resource. This is a natural consequence of such behavior.
12-34hom, my friend, I would respectfully ask you to step back and think hard about your 'Drug War'. Yes, it is bad stuff, in varying degrees. Some of the illegal drugs are real killers, and some of it is probably less damaging than your beer. So what? Your 'War' isn't going to end this - it just makes it a more profitable industry. Alcohol Prohibition is a very good, almost perfect analogy for what we are currently experiencing. Consider reading a book called 'Drug Crazy'.
Keep up your 'Drug War', and you'll kill more LEO's, more BG's, more civilians, and the drug industry will still get bigger. What's the point? I see this as analygous to many of the gun debates - we don't want to punish bad behavior, we want to banish products and substances. And, strip our rights. Is that one of the goals?
Drugs aren't going to go away, but our civil rights are certainly headed south. I hope I can still buy government beer when this is all over ... maybe we'll have Shiner Bock approved by the DEA?
Take care.