Listen to Harry Browne

AllanHampton

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Listen to Harry Browne address a variety of issues. I use Real Player and it works OK, can't say about any other program. Not problem though just go this URL and click on line as below.

Speeches http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/

Harry Browne at the Massachusetts LP Convention, 04/17/99
 
Alan,

You seem to be a smart guy, why do you keep asking this question. It is real easy to see if you try. A vote taken away from Bush is one less that he will receive. By taking votes away from Bush, you are lowering the threshold that Gore will need to meet to be elected, and in essence you are voting for Gore.

I think that you are being intentionally obtuse on this point. By your way of thinking, 10 million gun owners who were going to vote for Bush, could just not vote at all and it wouldn't hurt Bush in the least little bit. That is BS and you know it.

Any child should be able to grasp this concept. IF YOU TAKE ENOUGH VOTES AWAY FROM BUSH AND GIVE THEM TO A CANDIDATE THAT CAN'T WIN, GORE WILL WIN AND WE WILL LOSE!!!

Got it?

Good!

nralifer


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nralife, I can only say it is too bad that you can't see how silly is your political mind control rhetoric, there is no truth in it. You can't take away something that never was, bush does not have my vote, so it can't be taken away from him. IMO in light of gun legislation spewing for WDC it is also silly to think another republican will stop any of it. Republicans are helping enact unconstitutional legislation and have done so for years. Illegal gun legislation is just the tip of the iceberg of unconstitutional legislation coming from WDC, its been going on my entire lifetime, and all of it was enacted by republicans and democrats. Nah, I am not buying anymore dying swan songs on any single issue, too many more illegal issues.

If We, the people, want to keep this Republic then we best get the socialist out of office or at least give them some competition.
 
Okay, everyone has had their say on this subject.

No one is going to change anyone else mind over this subject, and the constant bickering is wearing on my nerves.

Take it to e-mail.

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited May 13, 2000).]
 
Longshot, I can only say we have very different understandings of the purpose of the government of this Republic, the Constitution, citizenship and loyalty.
 
nralife, you're absolutely right. Klinton didn't win by much in the last election. Had it not been for the folks who thought they were casting a vote against Klinton and Dole by voting for Perot, we would have had a Republican president, and probably no ban on assault weapons or hi-cap mags and all the rest of this gun control BS that is wearing us all down.

I can guarantee that your next president will be either Bush or Gore. Now take your choice.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bullseye:
Had it not been for the folks who thought they were casting a vote against Klinton and Dole by voting for Perot, we would have had a Republican president, and probably no ban on assault weapons or hi-cap mags and all the rest of this gun control BS that is wearing us all down.[/quote]

Why, yes, I remember well what a friend of gun owners our last Republican president was.

And check the current Republican candidate's web site for his view on high-cap mags. Yeah, he's on our side, all right.
 
David Roberson,

Bush may not be perfect, but he is a damn sight better than Gore. Bush has hinted that he may sign an anti-lawsuit protection bill for firearms manufacturers. Gore wants to register all gun owners and is for the lawsuits. To me the choice is clear!

Bush has to take some middle of the road positions to get elected. He has said that he will not push for a high cap mag ban, but that he might sign a bill that included it. Once he gets in office, he will probably tell the anti's to kiss off. He may be pulling a Klinton, trying to have it both ways. :)

nralife


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What Bush can do is put non-bolshievik supreme court judges in place, who can overturn even HIS laws.

(That's what I'd do if I were prez, pass some stupid gun laws to please soccer moms and get the S.C. to chuck them out - "well my voting soccermom anti friends - I tried to ban dem guns but screwed up").

His position on the high-caps is inconsistent with what I've heard about him not signing the AW ban back in.

Many non-AKers aren't aware of the import ban (okay, old man Bush's import ban) on Aks etc. The import on high caps would be ugly. But I could swallow it if the laws allowed us to build stuff domestically again.


Just vote Bush. What have you got to lose?

Battler.
 
Folks, it is time to be realistic. You may know someone on your street who you feel will be the best president this country has ever seen. Can they win? No. Given that fact, what are your choices? Hell I like Harry Browne, I like him a whole lot. If he had the support of a mega-party I would vote for him.

Bush or Gore will win, there is no other option, this is reality. These are your two choices. Which one is better?

Maybe read the Art of War, or just use some common sense here. This is not intended to be a flame, but people, come on. IMO, this election is critical, not the time to take a stand and cast your vote for someone who can not win. I can't imagine what this country would be like under Gore. I believe that is the primary objective, to ensure Gore is not in office.

Also, don't forget, your vote really doesn't mean anything. Be sure your congress people hear your opinion. They are the ones casting the votes that count.

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Big Dawg #319
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I see no common sense in voting for a political party, nor a winner. Political parties are a poison to this Republic and Liberty and proven beyond any doubt as George Washington warned two hundred years ago. Voting for a winner has to be questioned as to whether such a proposition is rational. Who is to decide who is the winner? A political party? The news media? I wonder if their winner is my winner to preserve my Rights and the Constitution?

In attempting to preserve this Republic, the Constitution and my Rights, I am certain I can make a better decision than voting for who the enemy of my freedom says is the winner. If the enemies selected winner wins then not only have I, America, and freedom lost, but also those who voted for such a winner. I'll vote to preserve my freedom by selecting the candidate who I feel will honor the oath of office and I suggest every citizen do likewise.
 
If you hold out for EVERYTHING you want in your elected officials, you will wind up with NOTHING you want in your elected officials.
At the present time we must work within the system, and the reality is, it is a 2 party system. Baby steps forward are better than huge leaps backward. Please, lets at least start moving in the right direction, vote with your heart in the primaries, but vote with your brain in the election.

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Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war.
 
Rex Feral, who tells you it is a two party system (two political parties I assume)? Why limit yourself, or any other citizen, to the lesser of two evils. I see 5 or more political parties out there. Holding out for anything less than the Constitution is a loss of this Republic. The Constitution cannot be compromised, it can only be ratified. And what system should we work in other than the Constitution? The Constitution does not mention nor recognize any political party. Basically, the Constitution recognizes two entities (the proper two parties), citizens and government. Citizen are the master of government and government is the servant. I am on the side of citizens and will use my vote to hold government to the Constitution and the elected to their oath of office to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.

Understanding the purpose of government and the vote I will use my vote to its intended purpose of preserving this Republic and our freedoms.
 
Please note Allan, I said the REALITY is a 2 party system. I am well aware more parties exist, after all we CAN thank them for 8 years of Clinton, that is their biggest contribution to system so far.

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Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war.
 
This will be the TENTH Presidential election in which I have been eligible to vote. Permit me an observation. To the best of my knowledge:

Not one President, not one Congress has reversed the increasing tyranny
of gun control. Not once!


Not the Democrats. Not the Republicans.

Our so-called two party system is, in fact, a one-party system with two
“wings”. Their gun control disagreements only concern the methods used to
achieve civilian disarmament - the effective (and near-total) disarming of all
Americans.

Obviously Gore is the radical and Bush is more tentative. We all agree Gore
hopes to be even more of a tyrant than his mentor, Bill Clinton.

However, we disagree on Bush being our gun rights Savior.

Gov. Bush achieved the registration of most handgun owners by offering
them “permission” to carry handguns. We leaped at this Constitutional
infringement to lessen the risk of individual punishment for exercising our
Natural or God-given Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
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Answer some rather difficult questions for me.

1) Do the Republicans and Democrats work more for themselves and each
other than for the American people?

- Government is becoming increasingly self-serving. It is so huge and
burdensome that even our officials can not keep track of what they
supposedly are enforcing.

- Remember a few months ago a Democrat (Bradley) and a Republican
(McCain) were helping each other with campaign funds? Does that sound like
“competition between two parties” or cooperation between political allies?

- It’s the government against the Constitution - and the Constitution is
losing.

2) Will the Republicans and Democrats lead us down the “slippery slope” to
increased control by the government over American citizens?

Exercise #1:
- List increased government controls implemented during the last fifty years.
- Now list freedoms increased by our government during the last fifty years.
- Compare the lists.
--- Which list is longer?
--- If you have anything on the freedom list, share it with us.

Exercise #2
- Compare the sheer volume of current laws (and regulations, edicts,
Executive Orders, etc. with the power of law) with the comparable volume of
1950. Which volume is greater?
- Show me how our freedoms have been increased. Show me!

3) If we continue to do what we have always done, can we expect change?

- If we vote for the current government (with its two wings), does that show
our disagreement or support for their increasing burden upon us? Obviously
it shows our support.

4) A vote for anyone other than Bush is a vote for Gore! This argument is
the valid as saying, “Guns cause crime” and “Rosie’s spoon makes her fat!”

Candidate A = 0 votes
Candidate B = 0 votes
Candidate C = 0 votes

If one vote is cast for one candidate, only ONE vote appears on the above
list! If you vote for C,

Candidate A still = 0 votes
Candidate B still = 0 votes
Candidate C now has 1 vote; A still has none!

Only if A stands alone in his philosophy does he gain from the division of
power between B and C.

And in *this* case, A (Gore) and B (Bush) are both gun control advocates.
A vote for A or B is a vote for gun control.
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5) Republicans say, “ ... the REALITY is a 2 party system.”
Wrong! On the gun control question we have a one-party system with the
same goals. They only disagree on timing and methods of gun control.

What part of “shall not be infringed” is so hard to understand?

6) Republicans say, “... (W)e can thank the third parties for 8 years of
Clinton!”

Wrong!
We can thank:
- ignorant people who don’t know the issues,
- people who truly believe in gun control,
- 80,000,000 gun owners who continue to vote for gun control, and
- other people who believe in Liberty but refuse to vote for it.

THAT is why Clinton was elected.
THAT is why third parties have no power.

THAT is why we will lose our RKBA.

We will lose our guns because we voted for gun control.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!



[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited May 15, 2000).]
 
Amen Dennis. You can vote to preserve those guns in your closet (with the permission of the government), or you can vote to preserve the Constitution of the United States, and in doing so, preserve those guns in the closet without political consent. Republicans will grant me permission, albiet with a few small restrictions ie: no machineguns, no sawed off shotguns, no high cap mags, ect..., or you can go ahead and do what is morally right. IF the Republicans lose, it is their fault. Not mine. Alan Keyes would have got my vote Libertarians not withstanding. He was superior (IMHO)to even Harry Browne. Browne is superior to Bush, and Bush is superior to Gore. So I guess I'll vote Browne. It really isn't that hard, and considering that if I didn't have a 3rd choice, I wouldn't vote at all, then I really haven't taken anything from GW have I?
:D

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Find out just what the people will submit to and you've found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows or with both.
The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
Frederick Douglass, Aug 4 1857
 
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