Like I Need a CZ!
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Adventurer_96
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And to think I was going to get some more SKS's, a G-1 FAL kit, and a Star Model B from SOG. The best laid plans can go to waste I guess...
Seriously though, I will purchase one of these pistols, it's only a matter of time. I do have to get some other "time-sensitive" weapons first though before the supply completely dries up.
As far as buying from that store, it's a big department store and I'd rather keep my local FFL in business. They're able to order pretty much at cost and charge $10 for an FFL transfer. Not bad, eh?
Seriously though, I will purchase one of these pistols, it's only a matter of time. I do have to get some other "time-sensitive" weapons first though before the supply completely dries up.
As far as buying from that store, it's a big department store and I'd rather keep my local FFL in business. They're able to order pretty much at cost and charge $10 for an FFL transfer. Not bad, eh?
Brian's problems with CZ
Brian,
If your pistol is brand new, then you should shoot another few hundred rounds out of it before passing judgement. CZ's are known to need some break-in.
3"-4" accuracy at 15 yards benchrest sounds wrong to me - experienced shooters typically say they get <3" accuracy at 25 yards.
The trigger needs to be broken in - you'll find that the DA pull will smooth out, as will the SA. The creep in the SA won't go away though, because of (I think) the angle of the sear/hammer engagement.
The metal inside of your slide is definitely not polycoated, but I suspect that it is parkerized (I believe parts are parkerized by immersion). If you think about it though, do you really _need_ the polycoat over the parkerization on an internal surface like that?
The CZ isn't a Sig in terms of it's finishing, but I shot a friend's P226 and my PCR side by side and didn't notice any advantage to the Sig. Possibly a crisper trigger, but the trigger on my PCR is light and smooth.
Maybe the Sig wouldn't need break in? I dunno - my HK USP always had 1 flyer per magazine until several hundred rounds went through it, so I don't think any less of CZ's for needing to be broken in.
Steve
Brian,
If your pistol is brand new, then you should shoot another few hundred rounds out of it before passing judgement. CZ's are known to need some break-in.
3"-4" accuracy at 15 yards benchrest sounds wrong to me - experienced shooters typically say they get <3" accuracy at 25 yards.
The trigger needs to be broken in - you'll find that the DA pull will smooth out, as will the SA. The creep in the SA won't go away though, because of (I think) the angle of the sear/hammer engagement.
The metal inside of your slide is definitely not polycoated, but I suspect that it is parkerized (I believe parts are parkerized by immersion). If you think about it though, do you really _need_ the polycoat over the parkerization on an internal surface like that?
The CZ isn't a Sig in terms of it's finishing, but I shot a friend's P226 and my PCR side by side and didn't notice any advantage to the Sig. Possibly a crisper trigger, but the trigger on my PCR is light and smooth.
Maybe the Sig wouldn't need break in? I dunno - my HK USP always had 1 flyer per magazine until several hundred rounds went through it, so I don't think any less of CZ's for needing to be broken in.
Steve
SteveC is right, I've had my CZ75B a little over a month, but I've put about 500 rds. thru it. I've noticed that the trigger pull is better than it was when I first fired it. Not that it was bad to begin with, but its gotten better, especially the double action first shot. I've never gotten a group size over 3" @ 25 yards, I really love that gun.
Brian Busch
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Point taken. I bought 500 rounds just for break in, but have only shot around 250-300 so far. Not knocking the gun mind you; I knew what I was buying when I bought it. The barrel is pretty loose in the slide, so I probably just didn't get a good example since my other CZ was tight and accurate. I should have waited until I could chose from a group at the store. I spoke with Mike at CZ-USA, he's sending me a slide stop retaining spring as he thinks thats what is causing the early lock-back. Good service so far, but I would have liked at least to have been offered a discount on a barrel refit/replacement.
As for the inside of the slide not being powdercoated. I think it should have been; it's not going to impact the cost and it certainly wouldn't hurt. If I somehow get the gun wet with something corrosive like saltwater, and don't have time to do anything more than wipe it off, then there's going to be some rusting. For now I'm using a thin coat of molly grease inside the slide and that should handle it ok. I may spray some wondercoating in there if it really bugs me, right now it doesn't because it was $350. If it were $650, then I would be bugged.
As for the inside of the slide not being powdercoated. I think it should have been; it's not going to impact the cost and it certainly wouldn't hurt. If I somehow get the gun wet with something corrosive like saltwater, and don't have time to do anything more than wipe it off, then there's going to be some rusting. For now I'm using a thin coat of molly grease inside the slide and that should handle it ok. I may spray some wondercoating in there if it really bugs me, right now it doesn't because it was $350. If it were $650, then I would be bugged.
Brian,
Is yours a military model?
Ive noticed that they are generaly not quite up to the standards of the civilian weapons.
Dont get me wrong, its usually still reliable and reasonably accurate, but its just little things that add up.
Say the interior isnt near as nice, fit isnt as good, trigger isnt quite there, and of course accuracy is not quite as good(from my experience, yours of course may vary).
Its worth it to get the standard model and get the hi-cap mags afterward if you ask me. Or if you wanna go a little bit further, a sa or 85 combat.
k.s.
Is yours a military model?
Ive noticed that they are generaly not quite up to the standards of the civilian weapons.
Dont get me wrong, its usually still reliable and reasonably accurate, but its just little things that add up.
Say the interior isnt near as nice, fit isnt as good, trigger isnt quite there, and of course accuracy is not quite as good(from my experience, yours of course may vary).
Its worth it to get the standard model and get the hi-cap mags afterward if you ask me. Or if you wanna go a little bit further, a sa or 85 combat.
k.s.
sven
Sven,
If you are interested in trying a CZ out, maybe we can pick a night and I'll head down to Reed's new range and you can try out my PCR. It is a lighter, smaller gun than the normal CZ-75, so it will have more muzzle flip - but then, it was designed for carry, so the weight issue was important.
Steve
Sven,
If you are interested in trying a CZ out, maybe we can pick a night and I'll head down to Reed's new range and you can try out my PCR. It is a lighter, smaller gun than the normal CZ-75, so it will have more muzzle flip - but then, it was designed for carry, so the weight issue was important.
Steve
Just do it!!!
Own my share of guns. Think my CZ75B in Black Polymer represents an excellent value. Shoots as accurately as I am able (to h--- with a benchrest), polished the feed ramp with #600 sandpaper, shoots and feeds reliably, and always brings out questions from other shooters at the range.
What more can you ask from a $350-400 double action service pistol used in over 60 countries of the world? Maybe a Czech beauty to stop by your house and clean it for you once a month??? Hmmmm!
Own my share of guns. Think my CZ75B in Black Polymer represents an excellent value. Shoots as accurately as I am able (to h--- with a benchrest), polished the feed ramp with #600 sandpaper, shoots and feeds reliably, and always brings out questions from other shooters at the range.
What more can you ask from a $350-400 double action service pistol used in over 60 countries of the world? Maybe a Czech beauty to stop by your house and clean it for you once a month??? Hmmmm!