Lieberman, Gore Promise No New Gun Laws

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News Keywords: LIEBERMAN NRA PRO-GUN LOBBY
Source: The Associated Press
Published: 11-02-00 1617EST Author: By BRIGITTE GREENBERG
Posted on 11/02/2000 13:33:21 PST by Free the USA
Lieberman Counters Pro-Gun Lobby

By BRIGITTE GREENBERG
.c The Associated Press

WAUKESHA, Wis. (AP) - On Charlton Heston's heels, Democrat Joseph Lieberman assured Wisconsin hunters on Thursday that he and Al Gore would not take away their guns if elected to the White House.

Two days ago, movie star-turned-political activist Heston had urged members of the National Rifle Association in Waukesha to ``pull the trigger on tyrants'' and vote for George W. Bush next week. Heston, NRA president, called the Nov. 7 presidential election ``the most important election since the Civil War.''

Lieberman, the first Jewish vice presidential candidate on a major party ticket, asked people not to be ``fooled'' by Heston, the former actor most famous for playing Moses.

``In a manner of speaking I'm familiar with Moses. ... You might consider Moses a friend of mine,'' Lieberman told about 1,000 people packed inside a steamy union hall. ``Charlton Heston is no Moses.''

``Al Gore and I respect the Second Amendment right to bear firearms. That's in the Constitution. No hunter, sportsperson or law abiding citizen will lose any rights they have under our proposals,'' Lieberman said.

Wisconsin is one of several states the NRA is targeting this year with time and money because of a large number of gun owners. State NRA membership has grown by 30,000 in the last year to a high of 110,000, according to the group.

Gore supports licensing future handgun buyers and expanding background checks, while Bush favors fewer restrictions on gun ownership.

Gun control is a sensitive issue for Gore with swing voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, where hunting is a popular recreational sport. In recent appearances in those states, Gore has picked his words carefully.

Earlier in the campaign, he would hold aloft his proposal to require photo ID's for new handgun purchases, background checks at gun shows, a ban on junk guns and an increase in the handgun purchase age from 18 to 21. Now, he rarely spells out the restrictions he favors, but emphatically says that nothing he has proposed would interfere with the rights of hunters.

Lieberman told Wisconsin voters Thursday that he and Gore are simply ``trying to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons and stalkers,'' and children who might hurt themselves or others.

Polls in Wisconsin show Gore with either a slight edge or in a statistical tie with Bush.

Earlier Thursday at a community center in University City, Mo., another state where polls show a close race, Lieberman praised the widow of Gov. Mel Carnahan, who died last month in a plane crash. Jean Carnahan has said she will accept appointment to the office in his place if he wins Tuesday's election.

``I have been so moved by Jean's grace and strength at this hour of trial and tragedy, to go on and carry on Mel's legacy, and honestly, there is no one better who understood and shared in his vision and values and his hopes for a better life for all the people of Missouri,'' Lieberman said.

AP-NY-11-02-00 1617EST


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I have a great deal on this bridge.

The check's in the mail.

Let's look at the property at low tide - the view is better.

If those a**holes get elected there won't be a legal hangun in a private citizens hands in 4 years.
 
I just hope the union guys are keen to what's going on and don't buy into this two-faced duo. 110,000 NRA members in WI probably means at least 1.5 million gun owners in the state.
Would that we could get even 75% of them to vote their guns.

Dick
Want to send a message to Bush? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and forward the link to every gun owner you know.
 
This tactic is called the "specific negative," and is one of the subtler forms of a lie. "I will not take rifles away from hunters" means that he would take all other guns away from everyone else.

The press and many others swallow this line, but would see the trick if he had said, "I will not censor weekly sports magazines," or "I will not require church bulletins to be submitted for police review."

Watch out for that "selective negative", it's a doozy. Hitler might have said, "I will not harm Catholics or Lutherans" and been telling the truth.

Jim
 
Anybody remember Animal Farm? Remember how Squealer kept changing the sign and then convinced the other animals they didn't remember things right? If Bore wins you can bet he'll pull a Squealer.

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"Get yourself a Pistolet Makarova and lose that pricey western gadget."
 
I believe them!

And I'm NOT being scarcastic!


The key part of his statement is, "lose any rights they have".

Gore and Lieberman have made it clear over and over again that they feel the following would not violate anyone's rights:
- License all gun owners.
- Register all guns.
- Background checks everywhere.
- Training requirements.
- Banning CCW permits.
- Adding taxes, fees, etc.
- Limiting purchases to one per month / year.
- Banning junk guns.
- Banning "assault weapons".
- Banning anything that can't specifically be used for hunting.
- Banning .50 cal and "sniper rifles".
- Banning "cop killer bullets".
- Sueing gun manufacturers, distributers, and retailers.

From a U.S. vs. Emerson perspective, Gore has made it clear that individual citizens do not have an individual right to keep and bear arms. Therefore, he could ban ALL guns and citizens would not "lose any rights they have".

"No new gun control"? Yea, right.
 
How does this square with U.S. vs. Emerson?

I may be dumb but I ain't stoopid. Don't p*ss on my back and tell me its rain!

The guy is lying.

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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
Wow. Amazing. Look at exactly what Lieberman said:

``Al Gore and I respect the Second Amendment right to bear firearms. That's in the Constitution. No hunter, sportsperson or law abiding citizen will lose any rights they have under our proposals,'' Lieberman said.

Got that? No...law abiding citizen will lose any rights they have under our proposals. Maybe I'm just tired, but I'm reading that as their proposals grant rights that will not be taken away...not to be confused with those other rights NOT under their proposals, which will be taken away.

I'd like to hear those guys explain their definition of "infringed", because it's obviously not the same definition that we're using.
 
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I think that this topic was given a very inaccurate title. Old Joe LIEberman promised no such thing as "no new guns laws".
 
Yo, Jim!

I've not heard of the term "specific negative" before. I wonder if I might clarify this, just so I'll be sure what you mean. If I said something like "I did not have sex with that woman," would that be a specific negative?


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Hoka-hey
 
Sodbuster: You may recall that Clinton said "I did not have sexual RELATIONS with that woman." Believe it or not, I caught it right away. I won't get into the details, but he was absolutely correct. Perversion has never been considered 'relations.' You are correct in your intuition that this is a specific negative, and I understand Gore/Lieb in exactly the same way. In England, after all, folks got to keep 'hunting' .22's--as long as they were locked up in a 'hunt club's' safe, far from one's residence.

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If I recall correctly, didn't Al Gore say something to the effect of "9mm and .380's have no place in American society"?
 
Never forget that the first three letters of Lieberman's name are "Lie".

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
They don't need any more gun laws to screw us over. There are enough on the books right now to make gun owners an endangered species.
 
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