Liberty Civil Defense 357 Magnum

although I agree with most of the posters here that t is a poor choice for an SD bullet. But the OP is correct on one thing, and it does create a significant role for these types of rounds, in it's ability to pierce body armor. although I don't carry this round specifically, I do keep a couple hyper velocity 9mm at the bottom of my mag(2 out of 16 in the very bottom, the rest are appropriate mid-weight high velocity hollow-points) just in case some nut-job is wearing BA, I have a chance of the last two rounds in my mag putting a hole in him. I can't see ny reasonable situation that I am going to need to empty an entire mag in an SD scenario so I do not mind having a couple at the bottom for a "Hollywood" type situation. obviously not gong to defeat armor plates or anything, but Kevlar is very little protection again small and ultra-fast rounds, despite their lack of penetration on soft tissue. but, overall a poor choice for SD even though the first few inches are seemingly incredibly devastating in a gel test, you need to understand why a gel bloc test is set up the way it is, and why such deep penetration is desirable even though most people aren't that thick before hitting vital organs. a gel block is not a person, a gel block has no skin, a gel block has no bones and no extremities to block a COM hit. I highly suggest anyone that feels like these hyper velocity rounds, or gimmicky rounds like RIP, are a good SD bullet to watch shootingthebull410's videos. he does an excellent job of explaining why a gel test is what it is and why the penetration minimums are what they are. and trust but verify, after learning what you can from him, do your own research and you'll see why these are the exact opposite you want in and SD round unless your primary concern is over-penetration, but even then, these types of rounds will still blow through walls with ease because the violent reaction comes from the impact with liquid or "semi-liquids".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5219Q_XpSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_hZMZM1l04
if you watch this 9mm ammo quest you will learn a ton of info about wound ballistics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA7FTjmLiQQ&list=PLgNSGOEQko_M90AMdRCDMgd-w4Yozc27i

anyways, I am not a hater at all. I love the boutique rounds that are at least trying these things, and it may well lead us into the future of ammunition one day, just not quite yet. but I will still keep a couple at the I the bottom of my mag for the one scenario where these bullets actually do out perform others.
 
I agree with The357Plan about momentum in this case, which is why I made the post. The 357 magnum liberty round seems relatively weak for the caliber. But with the 9mm, it is relatively high for the caliber. In fact, I don't know of any 9mm round that carries more energy.

But, I also agree with the post just above, and I came here to post a link to a ShootingTheBull video as well, which now has me convinced of what most of you are saying. Gel tests are misleading if you don't understand them. After seeing this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hpoyioicVU
I now am going back to conventional HP rounds. That video is for the G2 RIP round, but the liberty round looks almost identical in gel, so I think it's the same deal.

However, I'm still intrigued, as another poster said above, that it can defeat some body armor. That's something to consider too, depending on what scenarios you envision. I heard of one person who liked to carry liberty in a spare magazine because it is so light. That would be a good backup magazine, or a good one to switch to if you are about to face someone with body armor and you have time to switch.
 
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