Libertarian vs Constitution Party

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Longshot

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I'm trying to decide...

I'm going to be a "November Republican" and give the Anti-Gore my vote this time, but I'm ready to switch. Not even the presence of the Republican Liberty Cacaus http://www.rlc.org/ gives me any hope for the party.

I'm a fiscally conservative/socially conservative, Christian Patriot ie: U.N. cannon fodder, so I lean towards the ideology of the Constitution Party.

However, unlike some of my contemporaries, I feel that it is up to every person to choose their path without me ramming my ideas down their throats. I just can't hate people unless there's an extremely compelling reason to do so (Hitler qualifies). God gave us free will, so in my opinion we either pass His test, fail it, look for another instructor, or just skip class and see what happens. So because of that I figure the Libertarians have it nailed.

Either way, I want national sovereignty and my second amendment without compromise.

So which party has a ghost of a chance? The Libertarians have had many years of false starts, and I don't think the Constitution Party will have enough nationwide appeal to win national elections.

Please leave the Reform Party out of this discussion. They have turned into a circus act, regardless of Pat's merits.

Thanks for the opinions, I value them...

Longshot

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The Libertarian Party has indeed had some false starts, but the party has organizations in all 50 states, has appeared on the ballot in all 50 states in successive elections, and has actually elected officials at the county and state levels. All the other minor parties combined do not have as many local officeholders as the Libertarian Party does.

The party has indeed faced its struggles, but it's far ahead of all other minor parties.
 
The Libertarians are still the third largest party as far as I know.

And, I've just become much better informed about the Constitution Party ... thanks. They differ much more from Libertarians / libertarians than I realized.

First, the Constitution Party apparently likes the War on Some Drugs: "The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions in appropriate cases with application of the death penalty. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered."

They look a little iffy on personal freedom regarding sex: "The first duty of civil government is to protect innocent human life. AIDS and HIV is a contagious disease which is dangerous to public health. It should not be treated as a civil rights issue. Under no circumstances should the federal government continue to subsidize activities which have the effect of encouraging perverted or promiscuous sexual conduct. Criminal penalties should apply to those whose willful acts of omission or commission place members of the public at risk of contracting AIDS or HIV." Couldn't find any direct comments on prostitution, or restriction of sexual conduct between consenting adults.

Based upon the strongly religious tone of their platform, I would wager that these folks would be rather Puritanical in their leadership. But, my knowledge of them is based only upon this web site.

Well, I'm still a Libertarian / libertarian. I don't care to support coercion, even if it is based upon someone's support of what they see as holier virtues.

Regards from AZ



[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited September 06, 2000).]
 
Amen Jeff. I checked out the constitution party, and was disappointed. I remain libertarian. This doesn't however mean I'll vote strictly Libertarian, but I'll vote for any Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Reformer who espouses libertarian views.
 
Almost hate to admit to owning a tv again. I watched and listened to much of the speakers at the Constitution Party convention.
I recognized a few names and many are very passionate, intelligent folks.
Anybody else watch the so-called 'unviable' conventions? They all had ingredients that inspired me compared to the big 2, which either made me ill or at best, kind of nervous.
Bottom lines: Constitution Party: Morality first. Pragmatism Last. Swallow the BIG pill if you are with us. Politically doomed. Kind of the alter universe of the DEMS. Plus: slightly smaller, marginally less intrusive government.
Reform Party: Change first. Hey we are about change! Since Dumbo left all we have is some spare change. Plus: They do want a change. Almost anything is better than this.
Libertarian Party: Morally situational but quite pragmatic, ergo the growth factor. They are the closest denomination that welcomes the NET proletariate. The crux is to bridge the gap between pragmatic moralists who want less intrusive control over their lives. Plus: Our best outside political chance. They need to unite several factions to prevail, not just preach the objectivist gospel. Sorry that's politics.
 
I could see that. The Libs, Cons, and Refers all getting together and nominating one candidate for all three. Constitutionalists are generally strong Christians, but nothing in the Libertarian Platform with the exception of abortion would be prohibitive. I'm a libertarian, and I think abortion is murder, but for all of those out there who think the Republicans or Democrats are going to end the practice, you're deluding yourself. Abortion for now will have to be between God and the Abortionist. I'd just like to elect a party with some principle. The Constitution party and Libertarian Party are very similar in goals. Maybe next time?
 
Join the party that reflects your view, but stop fooling yourself by pretending that any of these parties will impact the political process. The voting public is greedy, ignorant, lazy and proud of the same. The parties that you are considering do not take advantage of these public characteristics and can never be a major force in this country. The end of our political system began with the discovery that a political party can rob from the upper 49% and give to the less advantaged 51%. Without a sense of moral center, history, or the ability to reason, J.Q. Public has the government that it deserves. Sorry, but the deed is done..the fix is in.
 
I have to agree with Jeff, I had high hopes of the Constitution party, but after reading their website, I remain a libertarian.

Albert
 
I too will be a November republican. Shortly thereafter I will become a Libertarian or Constitutionalist. The republican party reeks of appeasement and corruption. Take a look at Shippers' book "Sellout". The only difference between Dems and repbs is the color of the armbands. Neither one gives a d*mn about liberty, constitution, or the bill of rights.

Why not change now and vote alternative????? No one will make changes until there is a congressional base to work with. I look forward to the day when there is a Libertarian caucus where they can really put the screws to spinelessrepublicans.



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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
The important thing now is to ACTIVELY support Bush. After the election, the Libertarian Party should be a TFL pet project.
 
I certainly understand the "Bush now, Libertarians later" thought process concerning 2nd. Amendment rights. But how many times have we heard "maybe next time"?
November for me is "THIS TIME". I cannot morally justify in my heart voting for anyone bent on destroying this country the way those 2 parties have done for the last 70 or so years. When my time is at an end, there is only 2 people I will have to answer too. My God and myself! I will do that with a clear conscience. Our Fore-fathers may have faced the same dilemma when they challenged the most powerful country on the planet with moral determination. Thank God for us they did!!
I am a Libertarian and I will die a Libertarian!

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Donnez-moi la liberté, ou donnez-moi la mort!
 
Bush will be the only republican I vote for.

I have voted mostly republican for twenty eight years. All votes I have cast for non republicans have been for libertarians and other independants.

I will vote against all other republicans on the georgia ballot because of the way way the republican senators behaved during the impeachment trial and their capitulation on issues regarding our inalienable rights.

GW Bush had better not count on my vote for re-election if he wins. He will have to earn it. If he sells out the American people as the senate and house have done, he will be the last republican I EVER VOTE FOR!

ordo
 
I normally vote libertarian but I'm also sympathetic to the Constitution party. These are the only two parties that I know of that take the Constitution seriously.

If you note, Consitution party doesn't say that the federal government has a direct role in the "war on drugs," though it seems to me that they want to use the power to regulate trade with foreign countries to stop imports of drugs. This is suspicious to me Constitutionally. But at least the Constitution party seems to think that drug laws are the domain of the states rather than the feds, even if they seem to be pushing states to execute dealers or something.

Support for either the Libertarians or the Constitution party is support for those who actually have read the Constitution and those that will back gun rights.

Unfortunately Gore's support from those who would like to burn gun owners at the stake makes voting principle a little more painful than usual.
 
Personal plan. Unless Bush does something really bad between now and november, vote for him. Otherwise, and unless the candidate is staunchly pro-libety, vote libertarian. This will aid in building the party so that they can have an effect on the Government. Browne is a long shot, and even if he is elected, will not be able to accomplish much unless the repubs and democrats help, which is unlikely. By building the party, you will increase the visablilty of the libertarians, and improve it's chances of electing a president at some future time.

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This election is more important than usual. The seats coming up in the supreme court are much more important than screaming in the wind.
 
Some of the worst appointments have been made by my former party, the republicans. Additionally, the republicans having a majority in the senate, have rubber stamped most of clintons federal judge appointments for eight years! We have the majority in both houses and have made no use of the advantage yet!

ordo
 
Good point ordo. However, I don't think Bush would apoint the ardent supernational neo-socialists to the SC that gore would.
 
Shin Tao , I agree and I will vote Bush in November in hopes that he will bring real leadership to the republican party that has squandered eight years of opportunity. I am afraid my former party has become whores to the polls and the pc way of thinking.

ordo
 
I am a Libertarian city councilman and I make this outspokenly plain during council discussions and votes. We're fortunate to have a libertarian councilwoman too. Thus we usually have a motion and a second to push issues into public debate.

National elections are important and I will vote Libertarian unless it's nip & tuck between Gore and Bush. If Gore won I could not sleep unless I voted for Bush.

Local elections and involvment is more than important, they are VITAL! Why? Because they
1) Re-establish trust in government, even if only at a local level.
2) Nip local regulations in the bud and repeal others (just as I have accomplished in eight months)
3) Prevent budding regulators from going further. Stop these little tyrants in their tracks! No council to mayor to state rep.
4) Help budding libertarians to go further into county offices, then state offices and maybe even federal offices.
 
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