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Mini17

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My job requires me to be in a different location every day. 01/05/05 was no exception. The site I went to conducts vehicle searches of which I was not aware until arriving on the site. I alerted the K-9 officer that it was possible that I may have a box of ammunition in my vehicle before he approached. Durring the search, a box of 20g shotgun bullets were confiscated as well as my stepson's bb gun and a box of .357 mag bullets (which I realized the next day, were only casings). Keep in mind, I did not have my .357 Taurus or my 870 Remmington in my posession at the time of the seizure of these items. Had I known of the vehicle search earlier, I would have removed these items from my vehicle in the first place. (and by the way, my vehicle search took no longer than any other employee's search taking no extra time away from my company that anyone else.) I was to pick my things up by 1600 that day or a report would be written and an investigation performed. I was unable to pick the items up being that it was after 1600 when I was done with work. I didn't put up a fight to get the items back for a few reasons; one being I wasnt going to drive an hour and a half one way to go pick up a $30 bb gun and a $5 box of ammo. The next day, I get a call from work whle i'm on a job site to "go get my things before they lock me up". I went back to the site to pick up my things. Luckily, the officer holding my ammo & bb gun was very pleasant and no report was written. About 2 days later, I get a call from my 1st higher-up saying that I had to write a letter to the company explaining what happened and that no harm was intended, telling what items I had in my vehicle AND why I posessed them in the first place. Is this or is this NOT any of my company's business what happened and what I had in my vehicle if it took no time away from the company? I think my letter is simply going to state "it's none of your business..." :mad:
 
The site I went to conducts vehicle searches of which I was not aware until arriving on the site.
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You need to be aware of these things prior to arrival, or make sure your car is "clean." Is it against your company's policy to carry ammo while on the job? Have you consented to allow your employer to search your vehicle at any time? If so, the client may be allowed to do so by proxy. Were you told prior to the search what items are considered contraband? Were you offered an opportunity to leave and come back prior to the search?

I can see where it would be an embarassment (at best) to your employer for you to be caught violating the rules of a client's company. At worst, it could cost your company the client's business and possibly result in criminal charges against you.
Is this or is this NOT any of my company's business what happened and what I had in my vehicle if it took no time away from the company?
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If your behavior is a risk to their business, it is their business.

I'd re-read the fine print in my employee handbook and consider how much I value my job before I told my employer that it's none of their business.

Best of luck! :)

-Dave
 
Damn right its none of there business, if they try to make your life miserable or hurt your career over this, play there own game and take them to court, remind the liberals that its not illegal yet to own a firearm or ammunition and probably never will be, so what they are attempting to do IS illegal.

The Revolver
Not as clumsy or Random as the semi-auto
An elegant weapon for a more civilized society
 
"LIberal" boogeymen at work.....

Try telling the TSA or the DHS how "liberal" they are when they confiscate your ammo.....
Personal responsibility is the issue.
Your responsbility to know what rules you play under.
Or would you rather write all the rules yourself?
If so, I think you are in the wrong century.
You and I know that your ammo and a bb gun are not the a danger to public safety.
You have to have situational awareness, amigo.....
 
What kind of job do you work at where you drive around in a company vehicle and get randomly searched and your items confiscated? :confused:
 
The point is, it's MY vehicle, NOT a company vehicle. It's my personal properrty. I was NOT given a list of contraband in advance. And my company has no policy to do searches of employee's vehicles. My ammo was confiscated by DOD police not my company. Also, as I stated before, I was not aware of any vehicle search before leaving my house at 0400 and only being assigned to this site at 2200 the evening before. If there is a policy with my company not to carry such things on company time, it is not written in any poilcy book that was ever made available to me or any other employee (I checked.)
 
Don't know where they got the idea they could "lock you up" over those items. That sounds like, or close to, lawsuit material. When you say "DOD police" are these GS-rated civilians or military located on a military base or reservation?
 
You took ammo and a bb gun to a Department of Defense work site?

Uh-oh. That's a big no-no anywhere I've ever heard of. I guess they assumed everybody knew.

Write the letter if you like the job and consider it a learning experience.

John

P.S. - I love the government. ;) I might have a relative who might work for a highly secure Federal site and he or she might have more security clearances than the President, but he or she, if he or she has a car, cannot leave the facility during the day to even visit the car (if of course he or she even has a car.) Funny, but true. And no, he or she has never given me the password to the big secret government computer network that may or may not exist.

My parents lived next door to a couple for 30 years and thought the guy was an accountant. Fifteen years after they moved his obit said he was an NSA interogator. Or maybe it was Army. You never know who to believe in that business, do you?
 
I have to agree with JohnBT.

Whether you like it or not, when you are working at a DOD site, you are bound to be scrutinized more than at a civilian site. When you arrived at that site, you were your employer's representative to their client.
Unwittingly or not, you were found to be in possession of items that the DOD did not want you to have, and that could affect the relationship between your employer and their client.
Your employer is probably trying to reassure their client, and themselves, that this is a one-off incident and that you pose no threat to the continuence of that relationship.
If you were the employer and your employee got caught doing something that your client did not approve of, wouldn't you ask for an explanation?
 
I think the fact that it had K-9 police doing car inspections should tell everyone how "serious" this installation is.


The bottom line: If you don't want your car messed with, leave it outside the gate. If there is a possibility of working on a secure DOD site, keep it in mind. This was an oversight on both Mini's part AND his employer. No finger pointing is necessary.

I would simply state in the report: "I had a BB gun and some old ammo in the car from a weekend family outing. I was not informed of the work site policy before being assigned there or arriving at the gate and it would have taken too much work time to return the items to my home once I was informed." End of story.
 
Yeah, in general, DOD (or at least the Army) makes it painful for people who own guns AND visit military installations. I live on one, and I keep my guns--including the BB pistol--off post at a trusted buddy's house. Most of my knives, too, since they're mostly more than three inches. I never have brought them on post, because they'd have to be registered just to bring them through the front gate, and once registered, I'd have to keep them in the unit arms room, where it takes an indirect act of congress to get them out. Personnel in family housing have a somewhat easier time of it: they can keep them in either the arms room or their housing unit, so they can have regular access. The same transportation rules apply, though... if the gun is in the car, it must me in a locked container, with the ammunition locked in a separate compartment of the vehicle.

The amusing part is that I am stationed in Alaska, where you don't even need a permit to carry--either concealed or open. If you're 21+ and legal to own a gun, you're legal to carry it. Quite a contrast between one side of the guard shack and the other.

On the upside, the Army does occasionally let me try my hand at large caliber automatic weapons and explosives, which ALMOST makes it worth the aggravation. I got to set off a Claymore once. You should have heard me giggle when I clacked it.... but that's a different topic :D
 
I agree that it's a real pain having to jump hoops for silly reasons....but in this case, they got you over a barrel..actually they got us all over the barrel, but there it is. But it's like most prisons, fed centers, military bases, they can pretty much do what they want..spent a few years working at those places. it happens.
 
What I don't understand is what any of this has to do with liberalism or conservativism.

Your employer may have been put in a difficult position due to your actions and wants an explanation. Give it to him.
 
My higher-ups are making me write a letter to the company explaining what items were confiscated and why I posessed them in the first place. I was asked what I do with with these things in general. I explained that I target shoot. I recieved the remark "What do you do that for?" I get questioned about my out of work actvities and then criticised for something I love to do. That is what I mean by "liberal employer." I work for a non-profit organization who seems to support more "special interest" groups than programs to get kids off the streets or battered women shelters. And by "special interest" I mean homosexual promotion groups, black pride, and immigrant funding. They don't support the NRA or any other gun owners organization. You may ask why I still work for this company if I feel this way; the answer is it pays for my truck and my medical bills. I'm gaining experience in my field so I can move up faster when I do move to a new job. I don't owe my employer an explination until they explain to me why I wasn't informed of a list of contraband or a vehicle search. Are you going to remove everything from your vehicle to go to the bank or a bar? No. These places do not require a vehicle search for you to enter. My company gives me the name of a place, directions and an arrival time. Nothing they gave me indicated that it was on government premises.
 
For what ever reason you choose to work for them. If you collect their paycheck yopu must play by their rules.

So far all they are doing is asking what happened and your side of the story,. What's the big deal.

If you explain it to them as you have here, without the attitude, and everything will probably be alright.

You go in screaming about your 2A rights and their homo loving liberalism and you will be looking for another way to pay for that truck
 
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The liberalism of my company does not just stem from the anti-gunners running the business but it's reflected in the hiring process and other areas. Most of my co-workers and managers are anti-gun, bleeding hearts with a liberal mentality. Race plays a big part in the company is well. The way you are talked to, whether you get your requested days off, and how you are treated in general are based on your race. If you're not part of the woman in scheduling's little clique, you don't get preference no matter what your seniority. There was a situation a few months ago where a completely incompetant, mentally unstable woman was hired. She caused more complaints from our "patients" as well as other employees than my manager could handle. She physically hurt two people (that I witnessed) so bad they stated they would never come back. I saved two of her patients from leaving and never comming back. After three months straight of training her she still complained the we didn't give her enough training, said we were mean to her, or she was never taught a skill when I showed her the day before (and thouroughly at that.) I know I'm babling on, but my point is it only takes any of my other trainees any more than approximately 3 weeks to one month to learn all of the policies, proceedures and skills used in our job. Including all of the FDA regulations we must abide by. I gave her the benefit of the doubt that maybe she had a learning disability and gave her some extra tips, gave plenty of opportunity to ask questions etc. It took my company 5 months to get rid of her. And that in it's self only happened after she got in my face, threatening to "kick my ass" because I told my manager she was not fit for our job. The managers wanted to "give her one more chance" every time I reported back to them with her "progress" (or lack there of.) And I was her 9th trainer she went through. Tell me that's not a liberal mentality. I have been made to look like this bad person because of a hobby. At one point I had some respect from some of my managers, because I earned it and I'm good at what I do. But even before the confiscation incident, when it was learned that I was a shooter, I started getting talked down to and all of the sudden, it was decided I wasn't ready to move up yet (although it was talked about for 2 months before anyone knew I owned a gun.) If it's not liberalism running through my co-workers and managers, than what is it?
 
So what does all that have to do with you attempting to get contraband onto a jobsite.

Like I said lose the attitude and stop complaining about anything that does not have to do with that fact.

You are assuming the victim position here and it just doesn't fit.

And actually nothing was confiscated it was simply held in safe keeping for you, so thst you could go in and do your job. They could have refused you entry.
 
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