Lever Guns

My very late Father-in-law had one gun, a Browning lever action rimfire with an octagon barrel.
After his passing, since no one else wanted it, I wound up with it.
And didn't have the good sense to hang on to it.
Although, at the time, it was difficult finding anyone else who wanted it.
It turned out to be a very hard sell and not worth much.
It wasn't a Winchester or even a Marlin, after all.
Times have certainly changed.
 
Well I like them. Old styles and some of the modern ones too.
At one time I had a lot of lever actions but as my eyes have grown older I didn't have the heart to scope some of the old classic ones so I sold or gave them away to others with younger eyes.

I kept my BLR in 30-06 and gave it to my wife as her elk rifle. It shoots 220 grain bullets into about 1 MOA and it shoots 165 grain Partitions into about 1-1/4" MOA.

I also kept an old Marlin 336 rifle. It is the 24" barrel with a Lyman peep sight and I can shoot it well enough to make me very dangerous to any deer or antelope out to about 300 yards. Bad news for coyotes too.

I also have 2 M-95s One Browning 30-06 and one of the newer Winchesters in 270, both Japanese. The 30-06 I have had since Browning brought the 95 back. I don't remember the year, but when the jobbers got the first of them into the country I had an order pending with one of them. So mine is the very first Browning M95 I ever set eyes on and I am not at all disappointed. I have used it in 6 different states to hunt a lot of game and I love the rifle. It is 100% as it came from the box except for the fact I did a trigger job on it within the first 2 days I had it, and also the modification of my adding a set of sling swivels. I am unsure of the number of deer I have killed with it but the count is pretty high. It's also been used on a few elk and antelope as well as one bear.

I liked my 95 Browning so much that I traded for a Winchester 95 in 270. I zeroed it with 150 grain bullets at 250 yards. I have not killed near as many animals with it as I have my 06, but I also don't use it as much anymore because of my eyes being 60 years old now. But I do have to say that this rifle has caused me to re-think my idea of what an iron sighted lever action is and can be.

I have owned a 357, a 44, five 30-30s, a 35 Remington, a 348, three 45-70s, a 32-20, two 22 long rifles, and a 300 savage, all in lever action. The 270 is the one that made be understand what I "knew" already, but had not taken into account.
You see, with most of my other lever guns I would zero at 100 yards and hunt in ways that put me close to my game. If I saw an animal at 500 or 400, I got closer, and many times I was able to do it, but at times I blew the stalk or was just unlucky and the game would have moved off when I got to where I thought I needed to get for a shot.
With the M95 in 270 I can hold dead on to any deer or antelope out to 300 and by moving the sight up one notch I can shoot to 400 with no hold ups a t all. To be honest, I have yet to make a long kill with that rifle. I still hunt with every rifle as if I were hunting with a bow or my flintlock, if at all possible. But shooting on my range here at home I have been able to hit milk jugs from prone and from sitting with my 270 M95 at the 400 yard line with very close to 100% of my shots. So I have a love affair wit the 270 lever gun even thought I have not used it as much as my other rifles.
I wish I could be young again and have another 50 years (or more) of young eyes but I expect all old men think that.
If I could have had the 270 lever action when I was a kid I bet it would have a lot of kills now to it's credit.
Browning made the BLR many years ago and I never really looked at one seriously. I have been doing gunsmithing since 1968, and I have to admit I should have looked at the BLRs a bit closer. Now looking back in time I realize that in all those years I have never had to do a major repair on a BLR. As a gunsmith I can tell everyone all about the pitfalls of various rifles, but the ones that have my attention the most are the ones I never have to fix. I ended up with an iron sighted 270 Winchester -M95, but I have a high respect for my (my wife's) BLR and I find myself recommending them to others these days. Left handed shooters will love Browning. They make almost everything in their line in left hand.

Anyway.....my rant is nearly over for now.
But be assured, Lever actions are not as popular as they once were, but they are not going away any time soon.
I have often thought that if Taurus wanted to make a real difference in the market they should stop trying to come up with new guns and just make some of the old American guns and MAKE THEM AT THE LEVEL OF QUALITY THEY WERE MADE TO IN THE 1940S!
If they would bring back the golden age of lever guns and pump guns to the US market they would not be able to make them in large enough numbers or make them fast enough.

Sure they would be a bit costly at a high level of quality. But the market has proven that hunters will pay for the Browning M71, the Browning M95s the 1873, the 1892s the 1886s and so on. I am 100% sure they would pay for exact copies (again I stress they must be of the same or better quality as the American guns of the 1930-1940s) of Winchester and Remington pump 22s The Marlin, Savage and Winchester lever actions and even the Sporting versions of the 98 Mauser that was imported to the USA before WW2.

There is no doubt what would sell. If they would just make them.
American will buy quality. Heck, if Taurus would make an exact copy of the old 1940s S&W revolvers at that level of quality I would take the Taurus guns over the new S&Ws made here any day.
 
Pump Action Carbines?

What was the .45 Cal. pump action carbine that was produced in the late 1800's or so? I seem to recall the term "lightning" was part of it. Also, are any replicas available today? I would like one in 44 mag/spl.
 
The very first time I went hog hunting with my Marlin 30-30 I shot three hogs in about 15 seconds.
No kidding,,,the first time I ever hunted with the gun.
Its not an "AR" but if you know how to use it,,,Its fast!


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My first buck, a spike, was taken with my first center-fire rifle, a Marlin 336c 30-30. I have been in love with the lever-gun ever since.

I will never forget the shot, the set-up to the shot(s) and how buck fever turned me into John Wayne :D

The little wanna be buck ran into my opening I was on at about 80yds away, i put the crosshair off my Redfield on him and squeezed one off....MISS! I shot under-saw the grass move, chambered another, squeezed, saw fur move, he turned towards me and ran right at me. I shot 7 rounds, first one missed, 2nd one hit then 3 more hit while he ran at me and the last round finished him off as humanely as I could be. I missed one while he was on the run quartering towards me. I had some 150g handloads one of my football coaches loaded up for me and the Hornady bullets zipped right through that deer! I don't think it knew I was hitting him. Not much meat left to process on that poor little buck.

Just a 15 year old kid with buck fever that was in love with his Marlin(34 years ago)
 
The 270 is the one that made be understand what I "knew" already, but had not taken into account.
You see, with most of my other lever guns I would zero at 100 yards and hunt in ways that put me close to my game. If I saw an animal at 500 or 400, I got closer, and many times I was able to do it, but at times I blew the stalk or was just unlucky and the game would have moved off when I got to where I thought I needed to get for a shot.
With the M95 in 270 I can hold dead on to any deer or antelope out to 300 and by moving the sight up one notch I can shoot to 400 with no hold ups a t all. To be honest, I have yet to make a long kill with that rifle. I still hunt with every rifle as if I were hunting with a bow or my flintlock, if at all possible. But shooting on my range here at home I have been able to hit milk jugs from prone and from sitting with my 270 M95 at the 400 yard line with very close to 100% of my shots. So I have a love affair wit the 270 lever gun even thought I have not used it as much as my other rifles.
I wish I could be young again and have another 50 years (or more) of young eyes but I expect all old men think that.
If I could have had the 270 lever action when I was a kid I bet it would have a lot of kills now to it's credit.
Browning made the BLR many years ago and I never really looked at one seriously. I have been doing gunsmithing since 1968, and I have to admit I should have looked at the BLRs a bit closer. Now looking back in time I realize that in all those years I have never had to do a major repair on a BLR. As a gunsmith I can tell everyone all about the pitfalls of various rifles, but the ones that have my attention the most are the ones I never have to fix. I ended up with an iron sighted 270 Winchester -M95, but I have a high respect for my (my wife's) BLR and I find myself recommending them to others these days. Left handed shooters will love Browning. They make almost everything in their line in left hand.

This got me looking at 1895s on gunbroker. Looks like the only 270 were Winchesters with safeties. I can't stomach that mutilation. So I looked at Browning 1895s. No 270, only 30-40 Krag and 30-06 (no recoil pad, wince).

There are some BLRs in .270. I'm concerned about recoil for 270 and/or 308 in a BLR.
 
Pump Action Carbines?

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What was the .45 Cal. pump action carbine that was produced in the late 1800's or so? I seem to recall the term "lightning" was part of it. Also, are any replicas available today? I would like one in 44 mag/spl.

ElVaquero, it was the Colt "Lightning" pump rifle, and was available in a number of different calibres.

Yes, a replica was being made a few years ago. Don't know if they are still in production.
 
Yeah Kcub, I detest the tang safety also.
The rebounding hammer however is a stroke of genius. I am impressed enough with the hammer design that I believe if someone had shown it to John Browning he would have used it.
All the more reason to hate the tang safety. It's 100% unnecessary and useless. It's ugly and it is an insult to the shooting public in my eyes.

So what I did on my 95 in 270 was to remove it. I cut out a piece of steel and file fit it to the mortise. I left it about .050" tall so I could support the tang against an anvil and peen it into the mortise so you get a dead tight fit.
Then drill 2 holes through the tang for 2 4X40 screws and sock them down tight from the underside. cut them off as they come through the top of the plug and peen them over too. Lastly you carefully file the plug down to a perfect fit and rust blue the plug.
You can't make it disappear 100% but you can about 99%.

I love my two 95s. My Browning had no such insult on it but my Winchester did. It no longer does.


As a side note, the 95s come with steel butt plates. It's a simple matter to fit a recoil pad to them if you'd like. I never have added a pad to either my 30-06 or my 270 because the recoil is not bad. Remember that these rifles weigh about 8.5 pounds. They are not heavy but not as light as a 20" 30-30.
If however you would like to tame them a bit more it's easy to do it. Any smith can fit a good pad to one. If you want to make it look like one made in 1900 you can even leather cover the pad.
 
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336 Centenial

Years ago I had the good fortune to purchase a Marlin 336c Centennial in 30-30 from a widow that wanted to get rid of her late husbands hunting rifle. Being not familiar with Marlins or lever guns for that matter, I offered her $150.00 for it. She gladly accepted my offer and threw in a box of ammo with it. The gun lounged in my safe for years and I rarely shot it. It was pristine with only one small ding in the stock. Later needing money for a new handgun I sold it at a gun show to a fellow that had many lever guns for sale at his table. He paid me more than double what I paid so I was very happy. Last year I saw him again at a show and I questioned him about if he had sold it. He emphatically declared "NO". He said he would have paid me much more if I had asked for more. As it turns out he has an affection for Marlin levers and this particular rifle is the crown of his personal collection. I am very happy that it went to someone who appreciates what it is. Looking back, maybe I should have paid her more and kept it because now I am interested in the levers.
 
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I love my lever gun. Winchester ranger .30-30 with a silencerco harvester. Gun is stupid quiet with subsonic still really quiet with normal off the shelf ammo.
 
Not so much in South Texas, go to the rifle range before deer season, most of the rifles you see getting sighted will be bolt guns.
 
about 30 years ago i bought a mossberg pra 472 lever rifle in 30-30. it looked like a 336 marlin with a longet barrel. it had an unusual number of misfires. so i took it to a gunsmith. i was really disappointed to find out it had head space issue. i took it back and got a rem 742 carbine and traded it for a mod 88 win in 308.
it was pretty accurate despite its inconsistant trigger pull.
i have seen quite a few mod 88s for sale but have not seen a 472 since .
what ever became of mossberg 472 lever actions.
 
about 30 years ago i bought a mossberg pra 472 lever rifle in 30-30. it looked like a 336 marlin with a longet barrel. . . . what ever became of mossberg 472 lever actions.
I understand that they came out in the mid 70s and were discontinued in the 80s due to low sales. I'm not sure but I think that they were a poor imitation of the Marlin 336 with a funny safety. Mossberg's current centerfire levergun, the 464, is considerably better.
 
I believe part of the resurgence in popularity, is states like Ohio and Indiana have approved the use of straight walled cartridges in rifles for deer hunting. Just yesterday I used my new Marlin 1894 in .44 cal to harvest a large doe. For gun in Ohio, I always used Remington 870 rifled barrel slug gun. Heavy thing compared to the Marlin. I equipped it with XS Leverail peep and blade. It's accurate and fun to shoot. I'm already thinking about my next lever gun.
 
Two things i see driving them....

1) Cowboy action shooting seems to be really taking off.

2) OH just(2014) legalized hunting with straight wall cartridges in rifles.


I'm honestly hoping somebody makes a Savage 99 in 375 Win again real soon! Would love to have a 2" at 100 yd accurate 375 Win that would shoot the pointed 225 gr bullets.

It would have to feel better than my 45/70 Ruger #1 pushing 300 gr bullets at 2300fps!
 
I'm with you Nathan now that Savage is back on their feet. You'd think CNC machining could keep 99 machine costs down to a reasonable price point.
 
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