lets say I know why army recruitment is down

jonathon

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Lets say I figured out why Army recruitment is down 25%. I was scheduled to go talk to a recruiter last Friday at 12pm. I show up and theres a sign up that says be back in 2 hours. I call and leave a message and they finally get back to me at 3:30pm. Go figure. Going to go talk to them tomorow... mainly just looking see what the Army has to sell.

I know I'll be serving, at least 3 years. I need to do it. Its my duty to this country. Looks more and more like Army.
 
Its my duty to this country

Respectable goal, indeed, but when's the last time the Army was used to defend OUR liberty. Seems like our soldiers all die for some politician's wet dream these days, in a far away place fighting for other people's freedom they don't even seem to want.

Army recruitment is down because people are starting to realize this.
 
yeah, well, alot of times people that go to an army recruiting office see signs like that and see the Marines in their offices. plus, the Marines will give you a different boot camp than the one you would receive in the Army. All Marines go to either MCRD Parris Island, SC or MCRD San Diego, CA. The "zeros" known as Officers go to Quantico. In the Army, you go to boot camp that is more designed for your job. Plus, the Marines also go to two and a half weeks of Marine Combat Training after boot camp and before MOS school. also, the Marines have a better sense of brotherhood in the units that I have seen. I have been in the Corps for 4 years, and would not give it up. In Iraq, I served with some soldiers attached to my unit (11th Marines Artillery Regiment) that were there with some Counter Battery Radars, and they said that they would rather be with us than with the Army due to our warrior mentality. Plus, many companies know how that the Marines teach you a great deal more about discipline through close order drill, pme, and other classes than the Army. Plus, it is more physically demanding when you mess up and your platoon gets thrashed. It's no cake walk, but the sense of pride that you get is amazing when you receive your Eagle, Globe, and Anchor.
 
Why go into the military and earn pennies when you can go to Blackwater and earn $1000 a day. Same risks, better pay.

In my opinion that is why they are having such a hard time retaining personnel. All the experienced veterans with the skills are going private sector and getting paid more.
 
Human Nature - Your going to go where your wanted.

the different miltary services seem to have different feeling towards their enlisted men. take what was just said a few mins ago. The marines seem to do a better job of making a marine feel needed, wanted, and so forth. And the same with the Air Force. And the more danger you are in the more your a going to need to feel those things. by this i also mean the citizens of this country.

but when your being led into dangerous situations and you are not suorted, you are going to start looking to other avenues. like if I have to be here I should at least get comensated for it. I.E. Military contractors.

To those who are on the outside looking in. We mostly see the senseless deaths of our countrymen.
 
Well, guys.. you sure derailed this one..

I did get to talk to an Army Recruiter today, he said the reason they weren't in was that they were restructuring(new guys in the office apparently).

Anyways, it went pretty good. Going in there knowing he was going to try to sell me on it, and then meeting with the guy and being caught off guard with the fact he wasn't pushy. I got some questions answered, and information I needed. He gave me a couple numbers to contact of people who can help me get an actual high school diploma(GED's don't cut it for most carreers in the army... sucks that they are biased against homeschoolers).

Unless the Airforce has anything especially different, I think I'm going Army.
 
Jonathon, as an Army vet and proud of it-I would advise you to talk to all of the recruiters and see what they have to offer.

"Why go into the military and earn pennies when you can go to Blackwater and earn $1000 a day. Same risks, better pay."

Oh really? Just whom do you think they hire for that kind of money-people off the street? I don't think so. Most of the employees of Blackwater are ex-special forces, be it Force Recon, Ranger, Delta, what have you.
 
Jonathon, as an Army vet and proud of it-I would advise you to talk to all of the recruiters and see what they have to offer.

I've already met with a Marine guy. I'm pretty sure the Marines aren't for me, as it seems like the in service education offerings aren't up to par with the rest(which I want). Don't want to be a sailor(though, a good friend of mine was in the navy for 6 years and was NEVER on a boat), though I probably should just go and talk with them anyways.

I think being in the Military would enhance my resume if I wanted to get involved in LE, especially if I do MP/Security type work..
 
The private companies are one thing that effects recruiting. A truck driver can make about 88,000 a year in Iraq. I was offered double the E-8 salary I would make on active duty pay to work for KBR. if you stay 330 days its tax free.

The other thing that is effecting recruting is time away from families. The Spouses can only take so much. At some places its like every other year you go back to Iraq, not to mention the time you spen training at the CTCs and in the field.

One thing that is hurting in the Reserves is the extra time you spend away from home besides the twelve month boots on the ground in country. The Air Force and marines are doing six months or less.

When I hear Reserve Generals or thier staff speak I now hear the word "when" instead of "if" you are mobilized. The bucket is running low on Reservists and Guardsmen.

Of course Mr. Rumsfeld says we have enough troops.....The Previous Army Chief of Staff and Sec White got fired for saying that it would take double the number of troops to secure Iraq. When 40% of the Present force on Active Duty is Reservists and Guardsmen that is a clue. The Reserves is no longer weekends and two weeks during the summer. So this means more rotations for the Army personnel.

All I can say is that the Army has some great educational benefits. If you can stay single and use the benefits of the Army you can save some $$$ and get a good education. However, you will spend some time in Iraq or Afghanistan or some othe vacation spot. The nice thing is that with modern technology you can still continue your education via distance learning.

So take up the great benefits the military has to offer but be prepared to pay the piper. No matter what anybody tells you Uncle Sam doesnt give out freebies there is always a price.

I will never forget hearing some troops say but I only joined because I wanted to go to college. They dont take you to the Rifle Range and teach you hos to shoot on sillehoutes for recreational shooting only. Today the military is serious business.

I would check out all the services... As an old Army guy I have to admit I am most impressed with the Marines. I remember at some of the staff meetings the Army guys would be going blah...blah...blah...blah. The COL would ask the Marine CPT.. his reply was we are ready sir.... no tooting his own horn, no lengthy diatribe, and they were ready to go at a moments notice. just needed when, where, who, what, didnt ask why..lol.

So I might consider the Marines
 
In all honesty.. I would be fine with going to Iraq. I have friends(regular army, not reservists) who've been over there, and they say other than the heat its not to bad.

What people don't realize is the Army is just that.. the Army.. its not an easy ride the whole time. I figure I get something good out of it, and so does the country for my service. Win-Win situation.

I probably wouldn't stay more than 4 years.. since yeah.. I really do want to get married and have kids. Be great to be able to make a comfortable living after getting out.

On a side note, anyone have any expirience as an MP? That is what I would like to do..
 
well being an MP stateside is probably different from being an MP in Iraq depending upon what your duties are. I talked to some of the guys back form Camp Anaconda who had MPs riding around in soft caps handing out tickets while they got mortared from outside the base. The guys I support were 88Ms (Truck Drivers) they did haul some cargo but towards the end of thier tour did mostly gun truck escort missions. They modified some of the trucks to be gun trucks. So as an MP you could be doing door to door searches, convoy escort or whatever the brass think you need to be doing. When war is going on you do a lot of things that are not in your job field. Just remember that you can always get OJT as Infantry in Iraq if thats what they need you to do.
 
Good Advice Lawyer

You will have to sign a DD Form 4-1&2 which is an elistment contract. Also probably a DA 3540 series..which has a remarks section. If he promises you anything make sure it gets put into wrting as part of your contract.

If it aint in writing it never happened..... :(
 
My shirt used to say Uncle Sam Ain't Released Me Yet, too. But if I had it to do over again I join one of the other two branches of the military. ('cause we all know that the Air Farce is a joke and the Coast Guard walks home if their ship sinks, right? :D ) For my personal tastes, Photographer's Mate, sub school, diver school and explore the Navy probably would have been a lot of fun.

But whatever you choose, I just want to reiterate what was said about the enlistment contract. If you think you want it, it had better be written done there. And you had better take the time to read what is written, and how it's written, on the one you sign.

Oh, yeah and don't make losing weight a condition of your enlistment like the one guy in BCT with me did. You won't have to worry about that and you REALLY wouldn't like the Drill Sergeants Diet Plan. Let's just say that it ain't South Beach.
 
Friend, I spent almost 15 years in the Army that I would not trade for anything. As a matter of fact, if I could go in again, right now, as a buck private I would go.

That being said, please understand this: knowing what I do now, I might well change my branch of service. Here's why (I have told this story quite a few times, so far):

My son, in his last year of school, looked at me and said, "Dad, I've decided to join the military, like you did." Well, I was on the phone with Army recuiters post haste, and they appeared at the door double time.

He took the sample ASVAB, and blew it out of the water. They dropped the reg in front of him, and said "Take your pick. We'll give you $50,000 for college. We'll guarantee your first duty station--and your buddy's too, if he comes in. We'll guarantee your MOS. We'll give you a lot of enlistment bonuses." And on, and on, and on...

My son listened politely, looked at all they had to offer, and said, "I'll think about it." They left.

The next day, he showed up with a Marine.

I asked the Marine Sergeant, "How much of a bonus does he get?"

The Sergeant replied, "None."

I asked if they could guarantee his first duty station.

The Sergeant said, "Nope."

I asked if he could pick his MOS.

The Sergeant said, "He'll go where the Corps needs him."

I then pulled my son to the side and asked him if he had lost his mind. :eek:

I'll remember my son's answer forever:

"Dad, I believe we might go to war soon. (This was in June, 2000!) If we do, I don't want the guy next to me TO BE THINKING ABOUT HIS COLLEGE MONEY."

I signed the papers, and he went into the Delayed Entry Program.

I attended his graduation at MCRD San Diego in November of 2001. Here's what I learned:

Look up Army Ranger training; the entire qualification course. Subtract Airborne school.

You now have Marine Boot Camp. ALL Marines go through boot.

Each Marine has one primary job. They are all Marine Riflemen.

My son went into boot at 6'0", and 220 lb.

He came out 5'11", and 160 lb of rock-hard combat steel.

Thus began four years of a life altering experience for him.

On June 4th, Cpl. EC Tovar III returned home, having finished 6 months in Fallujah, Iraq. His job was as a Marine Artilleryman. His gun fired the first rounds in the second Battle of Fallujah.

For two months, he did artillery support and counter battery missions.
For two months, he manned checkpoints.
For two months, he and the rest of his section walked patrols in the streets of Fallujah.

If you are career and job oriented, the Air Force has the best choices.
If you like the Army, go for it.
I understand that the Navy is also a place to gain valuable civilian experience in different career fields.
The Coast Guard serves a vital role in the protection of our borders and interests.

We are, however, at war. From what I have seen--if you want to hedge your bets; and if you want to literally be the tip of the spear, the talons of the eagle, and the knife edge of the United States Armed Forces--and if you can meet the challenge of getting into the hardest Service to get into--the one where you have to be able to pass any PT test the other services can throw at you BEFORE you get in--there's only one choice.

The United States Marine Corps.

Your choice, my friend. Go with God, and best of luck with any choice you make.
 
Great post, Powderman...

Exactly the same reason I enlisted in the Corps 26 years ago. I decided that if I were to go into the armed forces I wanted to be in a service where the warrior mindset was paramount. Didn't want to share a fighting hole with someone who didn't understand the implications of his enlistment.
I went in a skinny 6' 137 lbs and graduated 13 weeks later a rock solid 162. The day after I graduated, I couldn't get the trousers I wore on the plane to San Diego past my thighs. Did anyone mention that the Marines make sure you learn how to shoot?
I stayed in 5 years and decided not to re-enlist when the politicians, in post-Vietnam paralysis, decided to not fight the War on Terror. I was in boot camp when the hostages were taken in Iran, trained the ENTIRE time to go, bags packed, moments notice, etc. Nothing worse on morale than having 241 of your brothers blown to bits by a truck bomb and seeing appeasment politics take priority over national security. 20+ years of limited retaliation for the murder of Americans only emboldened the savages, and we finally have an administration that understands that. Of course, there are those who have already forgotten 9/11, perhaps they'd be happy to lose Chicago. </rant>
Good luck, in any case, Jonathon. You honor your nation in deciding to serve it in a time of war.
Dave
SGT USMC 1979 - 1984
Jarhead for Life.
 
powderman, sounds like your son is a cannoneer, or as i CAN REFER TO THEM, a gun rock, powder monkey, string puller. i am a Marine Field Artillery Fire Controlman, and do all the math to get the correct data. just a little friendly trash talking between the boys. I am currently a gunnery instructor on Camp Pendleton at the 11th Marines Artillery Training School. i was deployed over seas on jan 29th, 03 and came back on july 24th, 03. i have not been back since due to injury (about to have reconstructive surgery on my shoulder) and the need for an NCO in my section to stay, since many were getting out. I currently re-enlisted and feel that it is the greatest decision of my life. Now Jonathan, money for college is great, but remember that the DOD will pay for 100% of tuition up to $275 per credit hour while you are on active duty. plus the GI Bill is no small change. plus there are many more scholarships that you can receive when you get out (you just have to look in the books to find them). the purpose of getting money for college should not be the reason that you joing the military, it should be to serve your country and use the benefits to your advantage. now with the ged issue, just get 15 college credits and it will not be a problem.
 
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