let's educate people (like me) on concealed carry

You need a gun that is 100% reliable and that you will carry. Everything depends on your particular circumstance .... a stockbroker in NY versus an Ice Road trucker in Alaska.

I carry a Seecamp 32, because of size and dependability. I bought a Sig p232 as back up but it turned out to be a unreliable jam-a-matic
 
IMO the best thing to do is get some good training. As Jeff Cooper used to say, "It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully."
 
let's educate people (like me) on concealed carry
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Some excellent reading...

1) The Four Rules
Memorize them, live by them, they will help you stay safe.

2) Your state laws (you'll have to look them up for your location)

3) The cornered Cat.
Written for women, but with excellent advice and info for anyone.


There really are two aspects of carry and both are equally important.

One side is the "hardware" or "technical" side. The discussions of actual guns, holsters, styles of carry, and so forth.

The other side is the "Legal/Training" side where you learn the details of your local laws, how to keep yourself out of trouble, and get trained on how to react appropriately if trouble drops itself in your lap.

Neglecting either side exposes you to a lot of risk.
 
Yes, it is important "to have a gun", but what good is it, if you cant shoot it well, on demand, and it cant sustain you until its all done.
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Excellent point and I'd like to add along with if you can't shoot it well, if you hit objects that weren't intended. Nothing worse than having a gun that is hard to shoot accurately especially in a pressure situation. You are liable for everything you hit. I see it pretty often, guys that carry a pocket gun but always qualify with something larger cause it's easier to shoot. They don't want to take a chance missing the target at quals. What the ??? Better to miss it there than in real life and you end up shooting an un-intended target. My policy is simply, what I shoot at qualifying is what I intend to carry. If I don't want to qualify with it, then I sure as heck don't want to carry it.
 
just read an article ranking top 10 ccw handguns no 1 was a taurus judge which shoots 45 long colts and 410 shotgun shells
 
I would look for a different review...
That is a huge revolver for CC. Do you really want to be launching .410 shotgun shells in public?
 
Kreyzhorse said:
The first thing you should know is that CCW is a trade off between concealability and power. A small gun is easy to conceal but typically less powerful. A larger gun is typically more powerful but harder to conceal.
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Not always. It depends on the gun.

For example a Glock36(.45cal) is smaller than a full size Glock17(9mm). Of course there's the opposite case with a 1911 and a Ruger LCP.

Another consideration with CCW is that each person is different and they're method/preference of carry. You have to decide what is best for you. So try out different ones and research them before you make ur purchase.
 
just read an article ranking top 10 ccw handguns no 1 was a taurus judge which shoots 45 long colts and 410 shotgun shells
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Do you have a link to that article?

Can't believe someone would pick one of those as no.1 after all the negative reports on .410 as a defensive round, and it's certainly bulkier than it needs to be for a .45 Colt. I love to read the logic behind that pick.
 
In the great scheme of things, . . . the greatest probability of it all, . . . you will never "need" your gun for the rest of your life.

BUT, . . . OTOH, . . . IF you "need" your gun, . . . the rest of your life depends on it and how you use it.

A long time ago, . . . I bought and fell in love with the 1911 platform in .45 ACP.

It is my small gun, . . . the one I take to the village, . . . my shed, . . . the mail box, . . . or for a walk. I take one extra magazine for it with me.

I also own an XD, . . . it is the one I take to the city, . . . on road trips, . . . to "urban" areas, . . . along with two or three extra magazines for it.

Paranoid? Nahh, . . . what do I have to be afraid of???? I just know that I full well plan on being present and accounted for when the cordite quits burning, . . . and I am not sure that would happen with something smaller.

Just my thoughts, . . . YMMV.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
I carry different guns for different situations.

Cool to Cold Weather:
Where I live I wear Carhart Coats, Wrangler Blue Jean Jackets Lined and Unlined, and vests. I have inside pockets in every one to hold my 638 airweight on the left side. On the ones with inside pockets on both sides or ones I have had so modified I carry 7 Shot Tuff Products Speed Strips with 5 rounds in each on the right side.
When not likely to remove my jacket or vest, I carry my 1911 full size in an IWB rig, or my Model 64 4". My IWB holsters have snaps so I can remove the gun/holster if I need to discreatly.

Summer:
This is where things get harder. Easiest is pocket carry my 32 derrenger in a front pocket. Better than nothing. Next IWB carry with shirt tail out. You must pick your shirts carefully for the purpose so you do not look like Larry the Cable Guy. Better would be a tuckable IWB holster for a small reliable automatic.
Another option is off body carry. In my days doing project design I would carry in a fabric brief case in the summer.

Think over how you dress, and how you could conceal your CCW firearm. Have special inside pockets installed in vests, jackets, or suit coats if needed. Check out nice shirts what are meant not to be tucked in. I am retired and have several Hawaian Flowerdy Shirts. Get a Day Planner, or Brief Case set up to keep your gun accessable as well as out of sight if that is not out of place where you live or work. Start carrying and experimenting around the house, you will start to get it figured out. I am lucky, the lady who does my custom sewing also has a ccw and carries. She knows exactly what and why I need something done.
 
great info everyone, really, I appreciate it.

I'm going to need to find a place that rents kahrs it seems

...and everything else I have yet to fire, of course
 
another silly question;
You guys have mentioned needing a good gun belt several times. Are you simply referring to a nice, strong quality normal belt, or to a second belt just for the holster underneath your jeans?
 
CZ-75B

Shrewd, a CZ-75 Omega was my primary CCW for over a year, in the Atlanta area. With a good, stiff belt (that will minimize flexing and hold the holster in position much more reliably) and a quality IWB holster, it's surprisingly easy to conceal that pistol. An outer garment is pretty much required, unless you wear super baggy t-shirts, but in my case that just meant some summer hiking shirts, worn open over a T.

The Kahr models are slimmer, but you may not need to go that slim.

(I have a PM9 which is an occasional pocket carry; nice shooting little pistol, but it needs to be cleaned every 250-300 rounds or else the feed ramp gets tacky and it starts having feed issues.)
 
Not a silly question, shrewd, . . . rather an intelligent one.

Leather, unlike many other products, is not homogeneously strong. It's main strength is in the "hair" side of the piece, . . . its main weakness is in the "flesh" side.

In order to make the strongest leather belt, we belt makers take two thinner pieces of leather, . . . bond them together, . . . stitch the edges, . . . and give the wearer a product that will last him/her many years. We also use a special type of screw & nut instead of snaps.

The holster, ammo, hancuffs, flashlight, keys, multi-tool, . . . all of it is snapped to or hanging off this one belt.

And when you dress above jeans & tees, . . . the same belt is good enough looking that you can wear it with your tux (if it is color coordinated :D).

May God bless,
Dwight
 
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