LEOSA subject to to state magazine capacity laws

State of CT; LEOSA...

The state website is www.CT.gov . The state agency is DESPP.
I'll check around for more specific information re: LEOSA training standards for CT area retired police officers & former LE.

ClydeFrog

UPDATE;
I just checked the CT Dept of Emergency Services & Public Protection. The state LEOSA standards & requirements are in the information bulletin for new applicants. NO single action autos(like a 1911a1 or Hi Power), no cowboy SAAs, no reloaded ammunition or hand-loads, only certain handgun calibers; .380acp, .38spl, .40S&W, .357sig, 10mm, .45acp, .357magnum, etc etc.
 
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ClydeFrog said:
UPDATE;
I just checked the CT Dept of Emergency Services & Public Protection. The state LEOSA standards & requirements are in the information bulletin for new applicants. NO single action autos(like a 1911a1 or Hi Power), no cowboy SAAs, no reloaded ammunition or hand-loads, only certain handgun calibers; .380acp, .38spl, .40S&W, .357sig, 10mm, .45acp, .357magnum, etc etc.
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The actual link to the State Police information on the LEOSA is http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?a=4213&Q=494622&desppNav_GID=2080 . The link you provided is to the home page for the entire state of Connecticut.

The link to the first-time applicants information you provided is http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?a=4213&Q=494622&desppNav_GID=2080 . But this applies ONLY to Connecticut State Police retirees and to out-of-state retirees who now reside in Connecticut and who choose to do their annual requalification through the CT State Police rather than through a local police department or through the department/agency from which they retired. Which means that the firearms limitation does not, as you indicated in post #10, mean that "they do not allow any CT law enforcement to use any SAO type pistols." As I commented, Connecticut has 169 individual municipalities, most of which have their own police departments. Retirees from those departments would be subject to the State Police criteria only if for some reason they go to the state for requalification rather than to the agency/department from which they retired.

Then there's the issue of what the language of the law actually says. Connecticut State Police may say you have to use the same holster you're going to wear when carrying and use the same brand of ammunition you'll be carrying, but I don't think there's anything in the law to support that. Suppose I qualify with a full-size Glock in .40 S&W wearing an OWB scabbard holster, but during the summer months I prefer to carry a Keltec .380 in an IWB holster. I don't believe the language of the LEOSA actually requires me to always carry the specific firearm I used to qualify -- or to force me to qualify with multiple firearms if I wish to have a choice.

Well, I was wrong again. Dang, that's twice this year, and the year's not even half gone. From the law:

LEOSA said:
‘‘(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual
resides that indicates that the individual has, not less
recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying
the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the
State to meet the standards established by the State for
training and qualification for active law enforcement officers
to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.
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That's really quite a bummer. Most of the retired officers I know prefer to carry 1911s ...

The law does not, however, appear to support Connecticut's limitation on brand of ammunition, or even holster.
 
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Now that it's morning and I'm semi-awake, a re-reading of the section of the law I cited two posts above says "of the same type as the concealed firearm." That most likely means just "revolver" or "semi-automatic." I doubt very much it means "of the same make, model and caliber, and firing the same brand, weight and construction bullets."
 
The LEOSA notwithstanding, why wouldn't a person qualify with the same gun he carries?
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'Cause some of us carry different guns, depending on circumstances. My "always" gun is a Ruger LCP, but my primary deep concealment weapon is a Walter PPS (soon to be replaced by a Springfield XDS) and my regular concealed weapon under a suitcoat or jacket is a Taurus PT-145 (probably soon to be replaced by a 4.5" Springfield XDM).

I usually qualify with either the Taurus or the Walther, but wouldn't want to be restricted from carrying whichever suited my needs on any given situation.;)
 
I'm of a different school of thought. I don't believe in changing guns.
Using one gun for self defense and getting to know that gun, means you don't have to think. You develop muscle memory, meaning if you have a safety, every time you reach for that gun, you thumb goes to that safety.

If the safety goes down, (1911) your thumb rest on top of the safety, if your safety goes up (Beretta 92fs) your thumb goes to the bottom of the safety.....WITH OUT THINKING.

I see this constantly in the self defense classes I teach. Not knowing and being use to the gun, there is a delay in finding the safety.

I shoot a lot, a heck of a lot, and I still find my self screwing up. For example at least twice a month I shoot some sort of action pistol match. The club I shoot at charges $5 for the first gun and $3 for the second gun in their matches. I pay to shoot two guns.

These are run dodge, and jump type matches and you don't get a lot of time to think. My first gun is normally always my revolver, the second gun is one or the other of my semi's. I'm quite familiar with my 1911s and Beretta but I'm constantly forgetting which safety is which. After shooting my 1911s a while and switch to the Beretta I have a delay while I realize the safety goes up and not down. And visa versa switching from my Beretta to the Colt.

I don't what this in a carry gun, I loose seconds in matches, doesn't really hurt anything. I don't want to loose seconds if I need my carry gun.

I don't change guns, I don't change holsters, and I don't change method of carry...............therefore I qualify with the gun I carry and the way I carry.

But that's just me......................we maybe not, I see it all the time watching other shooters switch guns/method of carry.
 
My Carry/Match, IDPA/Duty G licensed Security Officer = Glock 19 Gen4, TruGlow fiber optic sights. Spare Glock17 magazine.

Never change always the same.
 
LEOSA policy, weapons, state mandates/SOPs...

I think I now understand AB's point about the CT State Troopers(sworn/retired) re; LEOSA policy.
As for the recent posts, I feel you must carry what sidearm or weapon meets the given requirements. If a Glock 34 or 35 with a white light works, then have at it. If you need a 5 shot LCR or a M&P Shield 9mm, so be it.
The point is to train & be fully ready to use the selected firearm in a critical incident.
Whether you own or use 1 handgun or 100, skill training & marksmanship are what matters most.

FWIW; my state is fairly open re; qualifications & weapon requirements. That takes a lot of stress out of it, :D.
CF
 
Happy to live in a state that doesn't care what credentials you have; if you're not a prohibited possessor, carry whatever you want however you want, even NFA stuff lawfully owned can be legally carried openly or concealed without any permit required. ;)
LEOSA exempts my "kind" from it's coverage - we are also not "worthy" of protection in any other state. Darn good thing I don't travel.:D
 
New changes for retired US military law enforcement(OSI, NCIS, MPs, MAAs)...

On another forum I sometimes review, the member said the legal beagles at the DoD & some JAG officers(Judge Advocate General's office) have not worked out all the legal issues yet for military retirees to use the new version of LEOSA. :rolleyes:
IMO(and that's my views, not DoD policy or a POTUS executive order) a MP or retired USAF SF(security forces) can use a M11(P229R) or a M9(92FS/M9A1) as the authorized sidearm. The question of where or how retirees can qualify or the status of reserve/national guard-air national guard is still under review also.

ClydeFrog
 
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