LEO/Military 9mm ammo choices

Common types of 9x19mm & NYPD....

To my understanding, the most common brand for sworn LE is the popular Ranger T 127gr +P+ JHP. It has a great street-LE officer involved shooting record and feeds-cycles well.
The Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P JHP is also in use with many PDs.
This load is what the NYPD has issued for nearly 10 years now.

I'd still suggest checking the new Critical Duty ammunition from Hornady.
It doesn't have any documented uses yet, but the specs are top notch.

Clyde
 
It wasn't the Geneva Convention (that deals primarily with the treatment of prisoners) but rather Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899 which prohibited the use of "bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions" in war. It should be noted, however, that the United States did not sign that particular accord and that even amongst signatory nations, it only truly applies when the war is between signatory powers. Given that we didn't sign it and haven't been in a war with a signatory power since WWII, a strong case could be made that the ban on hollowpoints and softpoints does not apply to the U.S., but we go along with it anyway for the sake of political correctness.

An interesting note is that while expanding bullets are banned by the Hague Convention, those designed to fragment (as our own XM193 5.56x45 loading routinely does) or yaw (such as .303 British Mk. VII Ball, 5.45x39 5N7 FMJ, or 7.62x54R 7N1 FMJ) are not prohibited and have been in use by various militaries for over a century.

For those interested, here is a link to Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899
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Neither the US or Britain are signatories of the Hague Convenventions.
 
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Guys have already posted most of what I have seen in LE but I must say that I have noticed a discernable increase in the use of the new Hornady Critical Duty 9mm 135gr load. It seems to have satisfied/bridged the gap between those who prefer expansion in a heavier bullet (lots of the 9mm LE loads seem to be on the light-weight side [=<115gr] much to the chagrin of many).

I only wish that our Military Services could, likewise, take advantage of the remarkable technological advances in the development of lethal ammunition.
 
According to the Army Ammunition Data Sheets for Small Caliber Ammunition, the M885 9mm cartridge is a 112gr bullet at 1263fps +/- 5fps measured 15 feet from the muzzle (page 12-5)
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Do you mean M882? I could not find the M885 in the document that you linked.
 
hollowpoints VS ball ammunition...

Having served in the US military(active duty) and worked in the military police(MPs), I can tell you honestly that ball/FMJ ammunition would be better suited for general firearms/sidearm use than factory JHP or hollowpoint rounds.
NATO spec FMJs feed well, cycle well and can consisantly perform better than hollowpoints.
Small arms are in general, the LAST line of weapons used by regular military forces. Air power(bombs/air-strikes), artilary, armor and heavy weapons(mortars, machine guns, rockets, etc) can cause much more havoc than a rifle or handgun bullet.
Outside of special operations or "low-intensity conflicts"(a cute PC term from the early 1990s), FMJs/ball will continue to be fielded.
 
ClydeFrog
hollowpoints VS ball ammunition...
...I can tell you honestly that ball/FMJ ammunition would be better suited for general firearms/sidearm use than factory JHP or hollowpoint rounds...
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ClydeFrog,

Thank you for your service. For many different reasons (some that you mentioned), I can see why the Military Services would use ball ammo.

However and just to be sure, you are advocating ball ammo for the services only or civilian use as well?

-Cheers
 
public VS military use of FMJ-ball...

To be clear,
I suggest the use of hollow-point & some frangible rounds by the public for most firearms/uses.
Some smaller calibers(.25acp, .32acp, etc) may not function correctly with all types of JHP or hollow-point ammunition. State or local laws may dictate what ammunition is available to private citizens too.
JHPs have been widely proven to be effective for protection or LE use but the factors that US service members use ammution warrants the selection of ball-FMJ rounds. Weather, care-condition of small arms, storage, etc may mean that ball/FMJ ammunition would perform better with military weapons.

CF
 
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According to the Army Ammunition Data Sheets for Small Caliber Ammunition, the M885 9mm cartridge is a 112gr bullet at 1263fps +/- 5fps measured 15 feet from the muzzle (page 12-5)

Do you mean M882? I could not find the M885 in the document that you linked.
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Yes, I meant M882. M885 is a 62gr 5.56x45 loading.:o
 
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