LEO/Military 9mm ammo choices

Law enforcement varies between the major premium brands depending on where you live. IIRC the m882 cartridge is a 124gr fmj at around 1200 fps.
 
The local police dept. issues the Remington "R9MM6" 115 grain +P JHP. This is the older style JHP, not the newer, more high tech, Brass Jacketed Hollow Point. The R9MM6 runs about 1250-1300fps depending on barrel length. It is a very old style bullet but feeds and functions well. For training, the WWB, Rem-UMC or Federal American Eagle Ball ammo is used.

I believe our military uses the regular 124 grain NATO ball in 9MM. I have used thousands of rounds of the Winchester "Q4318" NATO ball. It runs ~1150 in the 3.5" barrels to 1300+FPS in the 5" barrels. The Federal M882 NATO I chronographed was noticeably slower than the Winchester...ymmv
 
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I'm not a military or firearms expert, but for general use, these 9x19mm(9mmNATO) brands seem to be popular with armed professionals(sworn LE, armed security, protection agents, etc):

Hornady's Critical Duty 9x19mm 135gr +P, the Golden Saber 124gr bonded +P JHP, the Speer Gold Dot JHP +P 124gr, Corbon's DPX, the Ranger T bonded 124gr +P JHP(T-Series), the Winchester Ranger T 127gr +P+ JHP.
Most military services carry milspec or ball(FMJ) 124gr NATO loads.
Some LE agencies & concealed carry license holders like the Federal 9x19mm loads too but I'd buy the new Hornady Critical Duty, the Golden Saber, the Speer Gold Dot +P or Ranger T(127gr +P+) round first.
The Critical Duty 9mm has great specs & the Ranger T 9mm loads are very popular with metro PDs nationwide.

CF
 
The current U.S. Miliatry issue 9mm ammunition is M882 which consists of a 112gr FMJ bullet at a muzzle velocity of 1263fps.

http://olive-drab.com/od_firearms_ammo_9mm.php

What is used by police will vary from deparment to department. I do know that the NYPD uses 124gr +P Speer Gold Dot while FBI agents still using 9mm handguns (most use .40 S&W) are using 147gr Winchester Ranger Bonded. Also, IIRC, the Illinois State Police still use the older 115gr +P+ Federal Hi-Shok.
 
The current U.S. Miliatry issue 9mm ammunition is M882 which consists of a 112gr FMJ bullet at a muzzle velocity of 1263fps.
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I don't believe this to be accurate. M882 ammo simply has to comply with STANAG 4090 (Nato Standardization Agreement) which allows for a range of bullet weights and energies (and pressures). It does not cover velocities per se but specifying velocity and mass would cover the energy requirement.
The mass of all bullets shall be within the limits 7.0g (108 grains) to 8.3g (128 grains) inclusive. The energy at the muzzle when fired from the standard proof barrel should not be less than 542J (400 Ftlbf) and not more than 814J ( 600 ftlbf).
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/85843207/NATO-Stanag-4090-Ed-2-Small-Arms-Ammunition-9-mm-Parabellum-1982

I have done some quick Googling and cannot find any evidence that a 112 gr. bullet has been issued to U.S. Military; rather the "standard" seems to be 124 gr. I have not served in the military. Perhaps someone with real military experience and knowledge can shed some light on this.
 
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The current U.S. Miliatry issue 9mm ammunition is M882 which consists of a 112gr FMJ bullet at a muzzle velocity of 1263fps.

I don't believe this to be accurate. M882 ammo simply has to comply with STANAG 4090 (Nato Standardization Agreement) which allows for a range of bullet weights and energies (and pressures). It does not cover velocities per se but specifying velocity and mass would cover the energy requirement.

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The mass of all bullets shall be within the limits 7.0g (108 grains) to 8.3g (128 grains) inclusive. The energy at the muzzle when fired from the standard proof barrel should not be less than 542J (400 Ftlbf) and not more than 814J ( 600 ftlbf).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/85843207/N...arabellum-1982

I have done some quick Googling and cannot find any evidence that a 112 gr. bullet has been issued to U.S. Military; rather the "standard" seems to be 124 gr. I have not served in the military. Perhaps someone with real military experience and knowledge can shed some light on this.
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According to the Army Ammunition Data Sheets for Small Caliber Ammunition, the M885 9mm cartridge is a 112gr bullet at 1263fps +/- 5fps measured 15 feet from the muzzle (page 12-5)

http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM43-0001-27.pdf
 
Yes, I was familiar with the Army Ammo Data Sheet. I had read somewhere (can't find it now) that this was from an early draft and it just "stuck" while the most common bullet weight used was 124 gr. This post from another forum seems to confirm it -- he pulled the bullet and it weighed 123.6 gr. http://forums.thecmp.org/showpost.php?p=242504&postcount=13. As I said, I can't confirm it and it's not a big deal either way.
 
can't speak for LE, but the army carries 9mm Ball FMJ ammo. Nothing else is authorized. This is because someone way back when in Geneva decided it was inhumane for soldiers to shoot people with hollow points like cops do. Still haven't figured that one out.
 
can't speak for LE, but the army carries 9mm Ball FMJ ammo. Nothing else is authorized. This is because someone way back when in Geneva decided it was inhumane for soldiers to shoot people with hollow points like cops do.
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It wasn't the Geneva Convention (that deals primarily with the treatment of prisoners) but rather Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899 which prohibited the use of "bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions" in war. It should be noted, however, that the United States did not sign that particular accord and that even amongst signatory nations, it only truly applies when the war is between signatory powers. Given that we didn't sign it and haven't been in a war with a signatory power since WWII, a strong case could be made that the ban on hollowpoints and softpoints does not apply to the U.S., but we go along with it anyway for the sake of political correctness.

An interesting note is that while expanding bullets are banned by the Hague Convention, those designed to fragment (as our own XM193 5.56x45 loading routinely does) or yaw (such as .303 British Mk. VII Ball, 5.45x39 5N7 FMJ, or 7.62x54R 7N1 FMJ) are not prohibited and have been in use by various militaries for over a century.

For those interested, here is a link to Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp
 
The local PD uses Gold Dots.

While the official NATO spec is for a 124 gr FMJ in a pretty stout load, I have seen government labeled boxes of plain vanilla 115 gr. I think there is a good deal of off the shelf procurement.
 
The local metro PD stopped carrying 9mm and switched to 40 caliber. They use Federal HST. Off duty 9mm is Speer Gold DOT. It's a good bet not every department carries the same weapon, caliber or ammo choice. Lots of factors.
 
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