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Lees new reloading manual. No way
- Thread starter Wendyj
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reynolds357
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Exactly!But even if the definition were dependent on liquid water at a certain temperature as the fluid ounce still is (the volume of an ounce of water at 212°F), there is nothing that stops anyone from measuring flour or other dry goods in those same measures. So I fail to see the relevance a volume being a liquid measure anyhow. It just doesn't matter to the proceeding.
By reading several manuals such as Lee's you get more of the history and background on reloading. I really appreciate the vast array of quality tools we have available from so many manufacturers. Sounds like prior to the 1980s (when I started) reloading was a bit more rustic. We are very fortunate some inventors and machinists developed all this interesting equipment.
Btw, I'm pretty sure my 3.0 liter car engine is measuring mostly air space. I try not to let the cylinders fill up with liquid. And even though a quart container once held yogurt, it is a handy approximator to count 100 .223 cases quickly without melting them first.
Btw, I'm pretty sure my 3.0 liter car engine is measuring mostly air space. I try not to let the cylinders fill up with liquid. And even though a quart container once held yogurt, it is a handy approximator to count 100 .223 cases quickly without melting them first.
The first book I open when looking up a load. I know I'm likely to find what I am looking for in the Lee.
Compare 9mm luger in that manual to the Lyman 49(that I also own and enjoy perusing), the Lyman is a joke in that regard, as I recall. I still enjoy and value it as a guide and something to cross reference
But I don't get mad at any of them. I enjoy the Lyman cast bullet edition, I enjoy my Speer, and I am pretty sure I have several older manuals in pdf format that I run through once in a while just to catch the different thoughts of earlier eras.
They are all a commercial advertisement for themselves, waving their own banner, as one should expect.
Compare 9mm luger in that manual to the Lyman 49(that I also own and enjoy perusing), the Lyman is a joke in that regard, as I recall. I still enjoy and value it as a guide and something to cross reference
But I don't get mad at any of them. I enjoy the Lyman cast bullet edition, I enjoy my Speer, and I am pretty sure I have several older manuals in pdf format that I run through once in a while just to catch the different thoughts of earlier eras.
They are all a commercial advertisement for themselves, waving their own banner, as one should expect.
Wendyj wrote:
No free shipping and I noticed Lees 2nd edition on sale with no shipping so I though what the heck and bought it.
So, you made your decision on the basis of the fact it had free shipping?
The first reason someone should be buying a reloading manual is the technical information it provides and Lee does a very good job with this. Too many reloaders buy a manual simply for the load data and not the "how to reload" part at the front and that's the beginning of their trouble. We see them on this site a lot; often asking what went wrong.
Unique not even listed as a 45 colt load. More information on dippers than I ever care to know.
Well, look at the Lee product line. They still make and service their line of Lee Loaders (see https://leeprecision.com/reloading-kits/lee-loader-pistol/ if you're not familiar with them) and since they use dippers rather than a balance, Lee still supports that product line in their manual.
If you're not familiar with the products of the company publishing the manual you just bought don't be surprised if it covers areas you're not familiar with and aren't interested in.
My Sierra and Hornady are way better books for reloading.
In what way?
Or do you simply mean that the Sierra and Hornady manuals suit the type of reloading you do more than the Lee manual, because for someone with an original Lee Loader, they would think your Sierra and Hornady manuals to be next to worthless.
In what way?My Sierra and Hornady are way better books for reloading.
Or do you simply mean that the Sierra and Hornady manuals suit the type of reloading you do more than the Lee manual, because for someone with an original Lee Loader, they would think your Sierra and Hornady manuals to be next to worthless.
I believe the OP wrote that he has a Classic Cast (single stage?).
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I have the Lyman Reloading Handbook. 49th Edition. The first 116 pages are about the history and "how to" of the subject. Then comes the actual data for the various cartridges. It has been a great resource for me. The price tag is still on it. $27.99 at the local sporting goods store. I think Lyman has a 50th Edition out now.
I started reloading in 1955. Just a kid still in high school. I confess I have loaded a bunch of both handgun and rifle ammo. In looking through my stuff I see only one Lee product, and that is a set of dies for 38 Spl. I do not even own a 38. I wonder if one of my boys put those dies there?
I got most of my reloading things from the local sporting goods store, so I bought what they stocked. They must not have liked Lee since nothing much with their name on it is in my stuff.
Point is, I have no experience with Lee stuff so can't say much about it!
I started reloading in 1955. Just a kid still in high school. I confess I have loaded a bunch of both handgun and rifle ammo. In looking through my stuff I see only one Lee product, and that is a set of dies for 38 Spl. I do not even own a 38. I wonder if one of my boys put those dies there?
I got most of my reloading things from the local sporting goods store, so I bought what they stocked. They must not have liked Lee since nothing much with their name on it is in my stuff.
Point is, I have no experience with Lee stuff so can't say much about it!
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Mike Irwin
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"The people that like lee stuff always bash the other reloading tool makers."
Oh. Really?
I like Lee stuff. Use a lot of it.
But, the inference you've made is that if someone likes Lee products, they don't like anything from anything else and go out of their way to denigrate it.
Which, obviously, would include me, since I look very favorably on my Lee Classic Cast Turret press, my Lee powder measures, and my Lee dies.
So why don't you be a lamb and go back through my posts and find all of the posts where I categorically bash everything made by manufacturers other than Lee.
Aw... I'll be nice and save you the time you'd invest in a futile effort. I have, and use regularly, reloading products from Lyman, RCBS, Belding & Mull, Pacific, Dillon, etc. It all accompanies my Lee products in one big happy chorus.
I bash those products, Lee or otherwise, that I find to be poorly conceived, poorly designed, poorly manufactured, while you choose to paint with a broad brush. The egregious stupidity of such an overarching, incorrect, and insulting statement is actually a pretty good indication of your own personal prejudices against Lee products.
So unless you actually have something constructive to that DOESN'T include ad hominen attacks on what I suspect is a large portion of the rest of the membership here at TFL, kindly stay out of the discussion.
Oh. Really?
I like Lee stuff. Use a lot of it.
But, the inference you've made is that if someone likes Lee products, they don't like anything from anything else and go out of their way to denigrate it.
Which, obviously, would include me, since I look very favorably on my Lee Classic Cast Turret press, my Lee powder measures, and my Lee dies.
So why don't you be a lamb and go back through my posts and find all of the posts where I categorically bash everything made by manufacturers other than Lee.
Aw... I'll be nice and save you the time you'd invest in a futile effort. I have, and use regularly, reloading products from Lyman, RCBS, Belding & Mull, Pacific, Dillon, etc. It all accompanies my Lee products in one big happy chorus.
I bash those products, Lee or otherwise, that I find to be poorly conceived, poorly designed, poorly manufactured, while you choose to paint with a broad brush. The egregious stupidity of such an overarching, incorrect, and insulting statement is actually a pretty good indication of your own personal prejudices against Lee products.
So unless you actually have something constructive to that DOESN'T include ad hominen attacks on what I suspect is a large portion of the rest of the membership here at TFL, kindly stay out of the discussion.
Real Gun. Not a he. I'm a She. Lol
Since you want that to be pertinent I changed "he" to "the OP".
There is a lot of contradicting min/max data when I compare my Lyman 49th to my Hornady 9th. . It's a useful reference when I'm considering a uncharted load. I study the min / max charges of a given powder from both manuals, acquire a "middle ground" charge number, then compare relative powder burn speeds, subtract 5% from that charge than start my loads. I also track with a chronograph so if i've made a less than ideal load choice I spot it immediately from a stray velocity reading.
Mike Irwin
Staff
"I confess that I have acquired 22 manuals over the years.
The oldest is the Ideal #38 published by Lyman. Copyright 1951."
I don't believe that I have that many, but I have also acquired any number of reloading manuals over the years.
The oldest is an Ideal catalog from around World War I. Not really a reloading catalog, more of a sales catalog, but it does contain some limited amount of reloading information.
The oldest is the Ideal #38 published by Lyman. Copyright 1951."
I don't believe that I have that many, but I have also acquired any number of reloading manuals over the years.
The oldest is an Ideal catalog from around World War I. Not really a reloading catalog, more of a sales catalog, but it does contain some limited amount of reloading information.