Learning to use a laser.
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Cheapshooter
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Nor are they needed at that distance for any reason. Even in pitch dark. Sights are not even needed, and will slow you down at 10'.
But lasers sure look cool in the movies, on TV, and in the commercials during the "experienced professional's" cable TV shows that are getting paid to sell them.
With most carry guns the time it takes to use ,it's mostly a point an shoot situation . I'm training with a grip laser mounted.on the top right side of the grip with a pressure pad positioned on the front of the front strap , makes a fast point an shoot accurate hit , saves time to raise aim an fire . Like back in the wild wild west . A different way to train , makes things interesting & fun .
CalmerThanYou
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I do not like the CTrace built into my Kimber 1911 grip, I seem to be distracted by keeping pressure on the activator.
Cheapshooter
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cw308, "train" that way, then leave it off, and shoot. If you really trained yourself to shoot, and not look for the little red dot crutch, you will find that you shoot just as well without it.
Frank Ettin
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No, it's not amazing at all. A laser won't replace basic marksmanship skills, notably trigger control.Prof Young said:
A laser is just another way of indexing the gun on target. Whether you index on target using sights, a laser, point shooting skills, or in any other way you might be able to think of, if you manage the trigger properly you will get your hit. And if you jerk the trigger you will not. There are no substitutes for basic shooting skills.
I don't get all of the laser hate. A laser is just a tool, and like all tools there are times when it is more useful than others. Telling people to take the batteries out is a little like telling a mechanic to leave their 9/16 socket at home today because they probably won't need it.
Both of my carry guns (pocket and IWB) have lasers. I don't rely on them; in fact I can't even see them when shooting during daylight hours. But if I'm ever lying on the blacktop in a dark parking lot peeking under a car I can see where it might have some value.
All it costs is a few dollars and the upside might be huge someday.
Both of my carry guns (pocket and IWB) have lasers. I don't rely on them; in fact I can't even see them when shooting during daylight hours. But if I'm ever lying on the blacktop in a dark parking lot peeking under a car I can see where it might have some value.
All it costs is a few dollars and the upside might be huge someday.
I must be another oddball here because I love my lasers. Don't have much problem finding it on a target or distracted by it moving. perhaps because I've spent years practicing a lot of point shooting using no sights at all, (as do all us Seecamp users). I shoot timed targets faster with the laser than without and value the ability to be able to accomplish an aimed shot from unconventional positions such as from the hip.
My advice is to practice three ways; quick point aimed "snap shots" without sights, quick shots with sights, then quick shots with the laser. Maybe alternate methods with each mag change.
I too own a Pico with the laser. I practice about half the time with the laser and half without. It isn't what I'd call a natural pointer, so practicing point shooting, to gain that muscle memory, may help you gain proficiency in putting the dot on target easily and quickly.
My advice is to practice three ways; quick point aimed "snap shots" without sights, quick shots with sights, then quick shots with the laser. Maybe alternate methods with each mag change.
I too own a Pico with the laser. I practice about half the time with the laser and half without. It isn't what I'd call a natural pointer, so practicing point shooting, to gain that muscle memory, may help you gain proficiency in putting the dot on target easily and quickly.
Cheapshooter
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Yes, there can be a very limited number of SD scenarios that a laser could be an advantage. The biggest problem is with all the advertising hype, and Hollywood depections, there are new shooters who think that a laser is a replacement for what they are being influenced to believe are the "out dated" open sights on a handgun. After all, doesn't everyone know that just seeing a dancing dot on his chest any attacker will instantly surrender?
Use the laser as a traininv aid to help with trigger control as mentioned in several posts. Use it for dry fire point and shoot practice. Keep it on the gun just in case, but never regard it as a replacement for the sights, and practoce.
Heck, I've been seriously thinking about adding a CT Laserguard to my Remington R51 just because it's design looks like it should have one on it.
Use the laser as a traininv aid to help with trigger control as mentioned in several posts. Use it for dry fire point and shoot practice. Keep it on the gun just in case, but never regard it as a replacement for the sights, and practoce.
Heck, I've been seriously thinking about adding a CT Laserguard to my Remington R51 just because it's design looks like it should have one on it.
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Prof Young
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Should have made that "amazingly" . . .
Frank E. I should have put the word amazingly in quotes. I was being self sarcastic. I didn't really think having a laser would solve my pistol shooting problems.
(And that is why the smiley face is after that sentence in the original post.)
Life is good.
Prof Young
Frank E. I should have put the word amazingly in quotes. I was being self sarcastic. I didn't really think having a laser would solve my pistol shooting problems.
(And that is why the smiley face is after that sentence in the original post.)Life is good.
Prof Young
My first laser gun was a BG-38 revolver. Laser had a switch on the top of the gun. Turns out the gun was not holding up, so I traded it for a S&W 637, lightweight J frame. I immediately bought a set of CT laser grips. I like them.
I have been carrying that 38 for a few years. Next I bought a set for my lightweight officers 45. Love them too. This year I just bought a Sig P238 with night sights. No CT laser grips available for this model.
These night sights don't even compare to the laser sighting system. It has to be so dark to see the light up dots, that I would not be able to see my target.
I have been shooting handguns since 1987. Sights are first, but the laser is sure handy in low light.
To each his own.
David
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I have been carrying that 38 for a few years. Next I bought a set for my lightweight officers 45. Love them too. This year I just bought a Sig P238 with night sights. No CT laser grips available for this model.
These night sights don't even compare to the laser sighting system. It has to be so dark to see the light up dots, that I would not be able to see my target.
I have been shooting handguns since 1987. Sights are first, but the laser is sure handy in low light.
To each his own.
David
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sakata8242
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One of the disadvantages of a laser is that it will magnify tiny movements and tremors in your hand. As a result the laser dot will be bouncing all over the place, and I find lasers to be detrimental to accurate shooting off hand.
On the other hand, for rapid point shooting they can potentially shine....provided the laser is sighted in appropriately relative to your iron sights (see above); you are practiced at engaging the laser without having to think about it, you are practiced at finding the dot quickly, and you have good trigger control....so basically, if your shooting fundamentals are solid, which you would build first using iron sights.
On the other hand, for rapid point shooting they can potentially shine....provided the laser is sighted in appropriately relative to your iron sights (see above); you are practiced at engaging the laser without having to think about it, you are practiced at finding the dot quickly, and you have good trigger control....so basically, if your shooting fundamentals are solid, which you would build first using iron sights.
Frank Ettin
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Fair enough. Sorry I misunderstood.Prof Young said:
All over the place?sakata8242 said:
I question this. If the laser is jumping all over the place the sights would be as well. No one can hold a gun perfectly steady. There will always be movement. But the movement should, if one is doing things right, be confined within a relatively small space.
I usually giver the basic shooting skills lecture at out monthly Basic Handgun classes. I use an airsoft 1911 with a laser to illustrate the difference between jerking the trigger and a clean surprise break. And it also helps illustrate that the gun is not absolutely steady with the laser dot staying within something like a quarter inch, or a bit less, at about 5 yards.
Elkine45
Dark alleyway bad guy all in dark clothing , night sights would be the only thing you see . It only matters what your more comfortable with . Same as some clean after shooting , some don't clean until the firearm starts to act up . I like vanilla you like chocolate , no one's wrong , what's the big deal .
Dark alleyway bad guy all in dark clothing , night sights would be the only thing you see . It only matters what your more comfortable with . Same as some clean after shooting , some don't clean until the firearm starts to act up . I like vanilla you like chocolate , no one's wrong , what's the big deal .
No big deal. I choose both because I can.
I’m not out much after dark these days if I can help it. Tritium sights are very helpful for finding and orienting your pistol on the nightstand when waking up. Chances are if I ever have to use my gun it will be in the confines of my house.
I’m not out much after dark these days if I can help it. Tritium sights are very helpful for finding and orienting your pistol on the nightstand when waking up. Chances are if I ever have to use my gun it will be in the confines of my house.
I found another application for a laser attached to a handgun: its use as a training aid. That "bouncing dot" is a heck of a good indicator of what the shooter is doing with the trigger, and his or her maintenance of a good, uniform shot to shot, grip.
Most all of us, with some experience, have noted the effects of pushing the trigger finger too far through the trigger guard and the disastrous effect this has on grouping. The laser will show you just how much of a difference it makes while dry firing or in live practice. It helps you 'tune' your grip and trigger finger placement. It showed me some things I've been doing with various hand guns for over 50 years. And for a new shooter, it reduces hours of explanation by the coach to a self evident display.
A good laser is no substitute for the fundamentals: Uniform grip shot to shot, Sight alignment, Sight picture, unwavering focus on the front sight and follow through. Used as a training aid, it makes teaching (and learning) those fundamentals easier.
YMMV, Rod
Most all of us, with some experience, have noted the effects of pushing the trigger finger too far through the trigger guard and the disastrous effect this has on grouping. The laser will show you just how much of a difference it makes while dry firing or in live practice. It helps you 'tune' your grip and trigger finger placement. It showed me some things I've been doing with various hand guns for over 50 years. And for a new shooter, it reduces hours of explanation by the coach to a self evident display.
A good laser is no substitute for the fundamentals: Uniform grip shot to shot, Sight alignment, Sight picture, unwavering focus on the front sight and follow through. Used as a training aid, it makes teaching (and learning) those fundamentals easier.
YMMV, Rod
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Not with any night sights (the tritium variety) that I've used...(Sig and Glock). Nor has that been my experience with three dot sights...again Glock and Sig.
I passed the quote above, along to a cpl of local Louisville Metro LEO's, and their opinion mirrors my own. The tritium sights allow use over a longer ranges, and in darker environments, but even plain white dots do well in the dark of most city/town nights.
Rod