lawsuit coming for Reparations.

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Nov 4, 2000 - 11:56 AM

Lawyers Planning Suit for African-American Slave
Reparations
By Paul Shepard
The Associated Press

A powerful group of civil rights and class-action lawyers who have
won billions of dollars in court are preparing a lawsuit seeking
reparations for American blacks descended from slaves.

The project, called the Reparations Assessment Group, was
confirmed by Harvard law professor Charles J. Ogletree and
appears to be the most serious effort yet to get American blacks
compensated for 244 years of legalized slavery. Lawsuits and
legislation dating back to the mid-1800s have gone nowhere.

"We will be seeking more than just monetary compensation,"
Ogletree said. "We want a change in America. We want full
recognition and a remedy of how slavery stigmatized, red,
murdered and exploited millions of Africans through no fault of their
own."

Ogletree said the group, which includes famed attorney Johnnie
Cochran, first met in July and will hold its fourth meeting in
Washington D.C. later this month.

"This country has never dealt with slavery. It is America's
nightmare. A political solution would be the most sensible but I
don't have a lot of faith that's going to happen. So we need to look
aggressively at the legal alternative," Ogletree said.

For now, there are more questions than answers in the planned
litigation. Left to be determined are when the suit will be filed,
exactly who will be named as defendants and what damages will
be sought.

Ogletree declined to discuss specifics but said the federal
government, state governments and private entities such as
corporations and institutions that benefited from slave labor could
be targets of the legal action.

"Both public and private parties will be the subject of our efforts,"
he said.

Ogletree said the Reparation Assessment Group includes
attorneys Cochran and Alexander J. Pires Jr., who won a $1 billion
settlement for black farmers who claimed discrimination by the
U.S. Department of Agriculture; Richard Scruggs, who won the
$368.5 billion settlement for states against tobacco companies;
Dennis C. Sweet III, who won a $400 million settlement in the
"phen-fen" diet drug case; and Willie E. Gary, who won a $500
million judgment against the Loewen Group Inc., the world's
largest funeral home operators.

Also in the group is Randall Robinson, president of the TransAfrica
Forum, a think tank specializing in African, Caribbean and
African-American issues. Robinson recently wrote the book "The
Debt: What America Owes to Blacks," which argues for
reparations.

"This will be the most important case in the history of our country,"
Pires said Friday. "We all agree the suit has to tell the story of
what slavery has done to blacks in America ...

"We are still suffering from slavery's impacts today," Pires said.

Ogletree said the assessment group will call on experts in
education, politics, family development, health and economics to
help trace how slavery's outgrowths such as segregated schooling
and neighborhoods have affected society today.

Enslavement of Africans in America began in the 1600s. A slave
sale was recorded in 1619 in Jamestown, Va. The "peculiar
institution" helped to fuel the prosperity of the young nation, while
also dividing it. Slavery was not officially abolished until the 1863,
during the Civil War.

Reparation supporters point to recent cases where groups have
been compensated in cash for historic indignities and harm.

A letter of formal apology and $20,000 were given by the U.S.
government to each Japanese-American held in internment camps
during World War II.

Austria last week established a $380 million fund to compensate
tens of thousands of Nazi-era slave laborers who were born in six
eastern European countries.

Reparation opponents argue that victims in the Nazi and
Japanese-American cases were directly harmed while many
generations separate enslaved blacks and their modern-day
descendants.

In addition, those opposed to reparations say it isn't fair for
taxpayers and corporations who never owned slaves to be
burdened with possible multibillion dollar settlements.

Neither Ogletree nor Pires mentioned any industry or company
that could be a target of the suit.

But Pires said there were overlaps between the slavery of past
centuries and today's corporations. He noted that Aetna Inc., the
nation's largest health insurer, apologized earlier this year for
selling policies in the 1850s that reimbursed slave owners for
financial losses when their slaves died.

In July, The Hartford (Conn.) Courant newspaper published a
front-page apology for running ads for slave sales and the
recapture of runaways in the 1700s and 1800s. Such
advertisements were commonplace in many newspapers until the
Civil War.

Pires was one of the lawyers in the assessment group who
discussed reparations in the November issue of Harper's
magazine.

Pires said he believes that any monetary settlement or damage
figure should be among the last items discussed as the suit takes
shape. He said it is more important to tell the story to all
Americans of what slavery did to the country "and let people
decide what should be done to repay."

"Most people," he said, "don't like having dirt on their hands."

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I have no objections to paying reparations to anyone who can proove that they were a slave in the United States prior to 1865. No one who wa not actually a slave is entitled to reparations.
 
Current black Americans are beneficiaries of the suffering and sacrifice of their ancestors. Instead of black leadership that seeks to honor them by focussing on education, economic advancement, and marriage, we get this crap. Just what America needs, a divisive dredging up of the past to encourage feelings of resentment and entitlement. I guess the new strategy will be to sit and wait to be handed 40 acres and a Lexus. It's hard to imagine a more doomed and damaging approach to black progress.
 
I see one BIG problem with this lawsuit (other than it's the stupidest damned thing I've ever seen. Statute of limitations, anyone?) in that it doesn't name as defendants those who were initially responsible for the slave trade in the Americas, the Governments of Britain, France, Spain and Portugal.

Lacking those defendants, my take is that the case is tainted on its face, and that it should be thrown out.

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Smith & Wesson is dead to me.

If you want a Smith & Wesson, buy USED!
 
First I want to see some compensation come from the African tribes who sold thier defeated enemies to the white slave traders. If these people hadn't greedily sold thier black "brothers" into slavery there would have been no slave trade. The people that bought and used slaves weren't innocent but the primary cause of the slave trade was as much the fault of other african as it was anyone elses. The African tribes should pay up first, the problem started with them.

Don in Ohio
 
All that needs to be said is this. I'm sorry that your ancestors were slaves, but I am not responsible for that. Remember this, if you were still a slave, you would not be able to sue me. ;)

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[This message has been edited by denfoote (edited November 04, 2000).]
 
I propose a new bill

1)An Institution of Reparations to All decendants of slaves in 1863 In the US. On a percentage basis. I.E. if your Grandparent (say Mothers Father) was Jamacan, you'd only be 75% slave.

2) The payment shall be based on; Average Number of slaves in the US from 1840-1863, times the The wages of the Twenty year "career" of a Farm worker. during this time.
Minus the Cost of the Civil War to the Union. including the Average workers wages for 20 years of each Union soldier killed. Total times 6% annually.

3) The remander will be returned to the Decendants as Tax payments until the balance is payed in full.

4) As the grevious injury has now been redressed. All Federal and State Affermative Action Programs, Quotas and Projects shall be here by canceled. And the term; "Fill in the blank" Hyphen American, shall be banned from the Lexicon.
 
"To My Old Master, Thomas Auld"

by Frederick Douglass

Frederick Douglass (c. 1817-95) escaped from slavery in 1838 and became a prominent
abolitionist speaker and editor of the North Star. Douglass argued that slavery "destroys the
central principle of human responsibility," and that the Constitution nowhere sanctions this
odious institution.


Sir -- The long and intimate, though by no means friendly, relation which
unhappily subsisted between you and myself, leads me to home that you will easily
account for the great liberty which I now take in addressing you in this open and
public manner. The same fact may possibly remove any disagreeable surprise
which you may experience on again finding your name coupled with mine, in any
other way than in an advertisement, accurately describing my person, and offering
a large sum for my arrest. In thus dragging you again before the public, I am aware
that I shall subject myself to no inconsiderable amount of censure. I shall probably
be charged with an unwarrantable, if not wanton and reckless disregard of the
rights and properties of private life. There are those north as well as south who
entertain a much higher respect for rights which are merely conventional, than they
do for rights which are personal and essential. Not a few there are in our country,
who, while they have no scruples against robbing the laborer of the hard earned
results of his patient industry, will be shocked by the extremely indelicate manner
of bringing your name before the public. Believing this to be the case, and wishing
to met every reasonable or plausible objection to my conduct, I will frankly state
the ground upon which I justify myself in this instance, as well as on former
occasions when I have thought proper to mention your name in public. All will
agree that a man guilty of theft, robbery, or murder, has forfeited the right to
concealment and private life; that the community have a right to subject such
persons to the most complete exposure. However much they may desire
retirement, and aim to conceal themselves and their movements from the popular
gaze, the public have a right to ferret them out, and bring their conduct before the
proper tribunals of the country for investigation. Sir, you will undoubtedly make
the proper application of these generally admitted principles, and will easily see the
light in which you are regarded by me; I will not therefore manifest ill temper, by
calling you hard names . . .

From that time, I resolved that I would some day run away. The morality of the
act I dispose of as follows: I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct
persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God
created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bond to you, or
you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to
depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot
breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself.
We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to
our individual existence. I leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me,
and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties
remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner. I therefore see no
wrong in any part of the transaction.

After remaining in New Bedford for three years, I met with William Lloyd
Garrison, a person of whom you have possibly heard, as he is pretty generally
known among slaveholders. He put it into my head that I might make myself
serviceable to the cause of the slave, by devoting a portion of my time to telling my
own sorrows, and those of other slaves, which had come under my observation.
This was the commencement of a higher state of existence than any to which I had
ever aspired. I was thrown into society the most pure, enlightened, and
benevolent, that the country affords. Among these I have never forgotten you, but
have invariably made you the topic of conversation -- thus giving you all the
notoriety I could do. I need not tell you that the opinion formed of you in these
circles is far from being favorable . . .

I will not bring this letter to a close; you shall hear from me again unless you let me
hear from you. I intend to make use of you as a weapon with which to assail the
system of slavery -- as a means of concentrating public attention on the system,
and deepening the horror of trafficking in the souls and bodies of men. I shall
make use of you as a means of exposing the character of the American church and
clergy -- and as a means of bringing this guilty nation, with yourself, to repentance.
In doing this, I entertain no malice toward you personally. There is no roof under
which you might need for your comfort, which I would not readily grant. Indeed, I
should esteem it a privilege to set you an example as to how mankind ought to
treat each other.

I am your fellow-man, but not your slave.

Mr. Douglas, a verifiable victim of slavery, never asked for a check. He, I think, would be insulted by the shallow gesture proposed by current legal ticks.
He is my better not because he endured slavery. He is my better because he only asks for the validity of our own constitution and that it be applied. He is an american hero.
 
Prophetic or history?
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Mr. Gore was a grave man, and, though a young man, he indulged in no jokes, said no funny words, seldom smiled. His words were in perfect keeping with his looks, and his looks were in perfect keeping with his words. Overseers will sometimes indulge in a witty word, even with the slaves; not so with Mr.
Gore. He spoke but to command, and commanded
but to be obeyed; he dealt sparingly with his words, and bountifully with his whip, never using the former where the latter would answer as well. When he whipped, he seemed to do so from a sense of duty, and feared no consequences. He did nothing reluctantly, no matter how disagreeable; always at his post, never inconsistent. He never promised but to
fulfil. He was, in a word, a man of the most in-flexible firmness and stone-like coolness.[/quote]
www.history.rochester.edu/class/douglass/DUGLAS11.TXT

From The Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass. Hmmm, respected Black leader speaks out on the true nature of the murderous Mr. Gore. hehe, don't have to say which Mr. Gore.
 
I have thought a lot about this and about how an idea like this can get legs. I have concluded that its supporters first of all are driven by the philosophy that whatever happens, it is someone elses fault.

Then you can add the tort system, trial lawyers, greed, racism, hatred, the list goes on.

"Forty acres and a Lexus"... the new-american dream???

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
How do you spell tax revolt?

R-E-P-A-R-A-T-I-O-N-S


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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
Oh, who cares. Just a bunch of folks who can't give up the Civil War. Just as obnoxious as the Southerners who keep raving up the Confederate flag (whichever version) and how slavery wasn't part of the war.

Give it a rest.
 
Hey, in this day and age, something like this WILL fly.

Look at the stupidity of the gun lawsuits.

This will do nothing for progress and just breed further animosity.

But this is how the left operates, pit one group against another.
 
REPERATION for Slaves..?
The welfare system in America is making slaves out of everybody who is receiving public assistance. There is one difference in today and the days prior to 1865...YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK. I'd say most are getting their reperation, now.
 
Since one of my ancestors from Gaul or Britain may have been a slave of the Roman Empire 2000 years ago, I demand immediate reparations.

Perhaps I have a case.
 
I think this is an excellent idea.

As a Jew, I demand reparations from the Egyptian government!

My ancestors were held there as slaves for over 400 years. Based upon the average laborers' wage of twelve gazertniks a month in Egypt, circa 2,500 BC, the current value of those wages, adjusted for time and with interest, is approximately 116 trillion dollars.

I will expect my check from Egypt promptly.
 
Woodit, seems to me Jews can go with multiple lawsuits. Egyptians, Italians (Romans), Turks (Assyrians), Syrians, Iraq (Babylonians) and Germans. Crack open a beer, your are one rich dude!


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"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
-George Washington.
 
We should include the Arabs who bought slaves in Africa. I think they were in on the slave trade early in the game.
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