Laser Grips For a Carry Revolver
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44mag@ucnsb.net
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michael t
Are you using blackpowder cartridges or something? Rhetorical question of course. You were probably joking, I hope. : ) Not that I feel a need for lasers and actually don't have one on any of my pistols, this is a misleading statement. While nothing can replace good experience and knowledge of using your sights, to tell someone that their laser will not be effective because of the smoke coming from their gun is definately misleading and very unlikely. Good luck and have a great day.
.44mag
44Mag : Read my post DO YOU HAVE A RAM ROD on any of your pistols. and do you carry a Bowie.
I sure Hal or anyone for that matter will feel more comfortable knowing they can call when their laser stops working in a gun fight. Hold on Bad Guy my laser quit and I've got to call the service deptment.
Point is KISS. Don't bet your life on toys and batteries Use that money for training Murphy will bite you when you don't expect it.
I sure Hal or anyone for that matter will feel more comfortable knowing they can call when their laser stops working in a gun fight. Hold on Bad Guy my laser quit and I've got to call the service deptment.
Point is KISS. Don't bet your life on toys and batteries Use that money for training Murphy will bite you when you don't expect it.
indigo-357
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I use my 686 with Crimson Trace grips as a laser pointer for presentations at work. For some reason no one ever questions my material.
Regards,
Indigo
I use my 686 with Crimson Trace grips as a laser pointer for presentations at work. For some reason no one ever questions my material.
Regards,
Indigo
44mag@ucnsb.net
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indigo-357,
I think I need to add that to equipment when doing my budget presentations, maybe I will get more money out of them.
.44mag
I think I need to add that to equipment when doing my budget presentations, maybe I will get more money out of them.
.44mag
44mag@ucnsb.net
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michael t,
You are completely correct regarding the RAM ROD, I apologize, I was sitting at work (tired) waiting for the race traffic to leave so I could go home and misread the post. As I said in my earlier statement "nothing can replace good experience and knowledge of using your sights". I have never endorsed lasers as a replacement for proficiency with your gun using the sights that are on it. But lasers are not the Devils child they are often referred to either. If lasers were so prone to problems and issues why are they attached to amost every SWAT, SEAL, and Delta team's equipment? These are groups who are in combat situations far more than any of us will ever be in. They trust their equipment to do the job, else they would not have it on their guns. Of course I would agree that all these team's are proficient with their sights as well. I would also point out that the #1 group that buys the Lasermax line (internal guide rod) of lasers are police officers for both on and off duty use. Anyways. Thanks for the correction and have a great day.
As far as the Crimson Trace comments go, I was just trying to be helpful with getting something fixed. I would not discount that things break, it is a fact of life in our world of poor QC and a general lack of work ethic.
.44mag
You are completely correct regarding the RAM ROD, I apologize, I was sitting at work (tired) waiting for the race traffic to leave so I could go home and misread the post. As I said in my earlier statement "nothing can replace good experience and knowledge of using your sights". I have never endorsed lasers as a replacement for proficiency with your gun using the sights that are on it. But lasers are not the Devils child they are often referred to either. If lasers were so prone to problems and issues why are they attached to amost every SWAT, SEAL, and Delta team's equipment? These are groups who are in combat situations far more than any of us will ever be in. They trust their equipment to do the job, else they would not have it on their guns. Of course I would agree that all these team's are proficient with their sights as well. I would also point out that the #1 group that buys the Lasermax line (internal guide rod) of lasers are police officers for both on and off duty use. Anyways. Thanks for the correction and have a great day.
As far as the Crimson Trace comments go, I was just trying to be helpful with getting something fixed. I would not discount that things break, it is a fact of life in our world of poor QC and a general lack of work ethic.
.44mag
snacktrack
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LMAO!!!
That was pretty funny.Anyway, guns are toys just as much as a laser grip. You need to check the batteries, check the operation daily, just as you do with your firearms. Its more likely something will go wrong with your firearm rather then your laser as a firearm has many moving parts and explosions going off inside them.
To discredit to benefit of a laser by calling it a toy isnt a valid reason. I would say 44 mag's pointing out of SWAT's use of lasers is hard to dispute. These guys are at the top of their game.
It’s true some firearm lasers are toys and can be knocked out of alignment when bumped. However this is not the case with the Crimson Trace lasers. I have them on all three of my revolvers, which includes two that I carry for CC and their accuracy and dependability are top notch. In three years of use I’ve never had them fail, or go out of alignment. Crimson Trace even sends me free replacement batteries every year.
Slyster, to answer your question, they are sighted in the same as you would a riflescope only you use an allen wrench to adjust for windage and elevation. And yes they are worth the money IMO. I would also suggest that if you do purchase some for your firearm that you pick up a copy of “Shots in the Dark” which is a video packed full of training tips specifically for firearms equipped with lasers.
Slyster, to answer your question, they are sighted in the same as you would a riflescope only you use an allen wrench to adjust for windage and elevation. And yes they are worth the money IMO. I would also suggest that if you do purchase some for your firearm that you pick up a copy of “Shots in the Dark” which is a video packed full of training tips specifically for firearms equipped with lasers.
Another thumbs up for CT grips. They work and work well. There are two sets in the family, one on my 586 the other on my Moms 605. They made a bigger difference in her shooting than mine. Might be something to do with bifocals and crappie iron sights. Even on the 586 everyone who has had a chance to use them has been impressed, that includes a couple of GM USPSA shooters. Lasers are another tool like night sights, hollow points, xenon bulbs and lithium batteries. Don't leave the edge you might need behind without giving it a fair chance.
Great thread. I'm going to wait until I take my advanced carry course about point shooting and etc. before I decide if I want one or not, but I've been thinking about it.
In order to become a better shot I did buy a laser that mounts to the front of the trigger guard. It actually works fine on the range, but everytime I case the weapon I have to realign it -- but that's OK because it's strictly a learning tool and not for a tactical advantage.
The laser was great because it highlighted most of my shooting problems. I'd recommend it to anyone as a learning tool.
My only concern with a laser in a point blank defensive shooting situation, though, is I'm afraid I'd waste too much time trying to spot the laser point and be focusing on that instead of focusing on my assailant and making sure I get the shot off before he can do anything about it.
My CCP instructor is against them because they "give away your position," but I don't plan on getting into any long range gun fights where I'm shooting from cover so I'm not concerned about that.
I'm thinking that if you recognize their limitation, and realize you want to ignore them in some situations, I don't see a down side to them for civilian CC.
In order to become a better shot I did buy a laser that mounts to the front of the trigger guard. It actually works fine on the range, but everytime I case the weapon I have to realign it -- but that's OK because it's strictly a learning tool and not for a tactical advantage.
The laser was great because it highlighted most of my shooting problems. I'd recommend it to anyone as a learning tool.
My only concern with a laser in a point blank defensive shooting situation, though, is I'm afraid I'd waste too much time trying to spot the laser point and be focusing on that instead of focusing on my assailant and making sure I get the shot off before he can do anything about it.
My CCP instructor is against them because they "give away your position," but I don't plan on getting into any long range gun fights where I'm shooting from cover so I'm not concerned about that.
I'm thinking that if you recognize their limitation, and realize you want to ignore them in some situations, I don't see a down side to them for civilian CC.
.44mag,
Sorry to take so long to respond. I was "investing" in the Nevada economy for the last few days.
Nope - not Crimson. It was one of those cheap trigger guard jobbies. It was a fun toy and a good aid to showing my wife the way a sight picture works. She caught on real quick to where the red dot was on the target and how the sights lined up to put it there.
In general, I think lasers have their uses, but not a substitute for practice.
Sorry to take so long to respond. I was "investing" in the Nevada economy for the last few days.
Nope - not Crimson. It was one of those cheap trigger guard jobbies. It was a fun toy and a good aid to showing my wife the way a sight picture works. She caught on real quick to where the red dot was on the target and how the sights lined up to put it there.
In general, I think lasers have their uses, but not a substitute for practice.
44mag@ucnsb.net
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Hal,
Glad to see you back. I completely agree that lasers are no substitute for proper knowledge of your manual sights. I am glad the laser helped with your wife, better watch out now, she can probably hit ya. As you said, those triggerguard lasers are fun, but usually end up in the toybox before too long. Well have a good one. Night.
.44mag
Glad to see you back. I completely agree that lasers are no substitute for proper knowledge of your manual sights. I am glad the laser helped with your wife, better watch out now, she can probably hit ya.
As you said, those triggerguard lasers are fun, but usually end up in the toybox before too long. Well have a good one. Night..44mag
You should practice in all situations more without the aid than with. However practicing with heavily in the initial stages of training (such as point shooting etc...) with the aid will increase your confidence to do it well and train muscle memory. Point shooting, just like a golf swing, and a basketball free throw is all about muscle memory, and you have to practice it a lot to ingrain that memory into place. Bubbygator's experience is a point in this favor. He stopped practicing because he couldn't focus on the sights/target well anymore. Add in the pointing aid, he practiced more, and ingrained things well enough into his muscle memory that as he admitted, he can shoot good without needing the aid anymore.
When it gets right down to it, a laser on a carry weapon and/or on a home defense weapon should be nothing more than stacking the deck in your favor. You load your weapon, to stack the deck in your favor. You put sights on it to stack it in your favor. You practice shooting to stack it in your favor. I don't know about you but when I'm stacking a deck, I'd rather make it a royal flush than a full house. If a goblin jumps me in my house, or on a dimly lit street late at night the more things stacked in my favor the better...
When it gets right down to it, a laser on a carry weapon and/or on a home defense weapon should be nothing more than stacking the deck in your favor. You load your weapon, to stack the deck in your favor. You put sights on it to stack it in your favor. You practice shooting to stack it in your favor. I don't know about you but when I'm stacking a deck, I'd rather make it a royal flush than a full house. If a goblin jumps me in my house, or on a dimly lit street late at night the more things stacked in my favor the better...
I used to put them in the "Useless Gadgetry" category.
Now I think that they're the best thing to happen to the J-frame snubby since Boot Grips.
Oddly, mine is right on POI. It was easy to get that way, too, since it is adjustable, of course.
There is no substitute for a good, firm, two-handed grip and a flash sight picture, however this is unlikely to happen in a surprise encounter @<7 yards. The bright red dot is a fast indicator that your piece is on target as it clears pocket or purse, and is a godsend in transitioning between multiple targets. Nothing is a substitute for practice, but nothing makes you stop practicing when you buy a pair, either. Heck, they even make dry practice more useful.
Now I think that they're the best thing to happen to the J-frame snubby since Boot Grips.
Oddly, mine is right on POI. It was easy to get that way, too, since it is adjustable, of course.
There is no substitute for a good, firm, two-handed grip and a flash sight picture, however this is unlikely to happen in a surprise encounter @<7 yards. The bright red dot is a fast indicator that your piece is on target as it clears pocket or purse, and is a godsend in transitioning between multiple targets. Nothing is a substitute for practice, but nothing makes you stop practicing when you buy a pair, either. Heck, they even make dry practice more useful.
Using lasers soley will make you a LAZY shooter. I have them on my sw1911pd and use them once in a while soley to compare my skills with and without. I do like the idea of having them on my nightstand gun in the dark though. MY CT's work perfect bty. But when I am at the range, My novak's are what I swear by. There is my 2cents.
snacktrack
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Hey Az,
I'd like to know what a "lazy shooter" is? Would that be me sitting on my couch eating a bag of chips while shooting a bad guy in the dark with my laser grips?
To me there is no such thing as a "lazy shooter" .There are however, bad shots, and good shots. If I can get dead on shots everytime with my laser gadget, guess what, I am going to use it with no shame.
just got mine yesterday
CT Lasergrips for my J frame Airlite .357 came in yesterday. I took it out in the twilight and shot a 4" group at 30 yards. Not only do they work, but it's fun too! The CT rubber overmold grip is also much more comfortable than the S&W grip the gun came with.
Since the lasergrips weigh almost nothing, hardly protrude at all, and offer no disadvantage that I can see, I wonder why some people hate them so much. I really don't care what others think about lasers, I like mine a lot. They can listen to their AM radio in their Model T's for all I care.
CT Lasergrips for my J frame Airlite .357 came in yesterday. I took it out in the twilight and shot a 4" group at 30 yards. Not only do they work, but it's fun too! The CT rubber overmold grip is also much more comfortable than the S&W grip the gun came with.
Since the lasergrips weigh almost nothing, hardly protrude at all, and offer no disadvantage that I can see, I wonder why some people hate them so much. I really don't care what others think about lasers, I like mine a lot. They can listen to their AM radio in their Model T's for all I care.
Snacktrack, Dont get me wrong I really love my CT grips and have not one regret, What I mean by "lazy shooter" is if it prohibits you from practicing and sharpening your skills with your regular sights it will be ultimately detrimental to your overall shooting skills. With that being said, When im in dark and bad guy is in the crib you bet your ass I will have that red dot pointed at his chest.