WINSTON THE WOLF
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Hmmm I never thought about this. But I agree with you on this one. I guess if there was an intruder in my home. The click of the hammer being pulled back would be all the warning he would get.
Language when warning a perp.
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Hmmm I never thought about this. But I agree with you on this one. I guess if there was an intruder in my home. The click of the hammer being pulled back would be all the warning he would get.
Brian Pfleuger
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or the racking of a shotgun
Glenn E. Meyer
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Every one on the internet assume that their shots will kill the 'perp' dead and that will prevent pay back or law suites. What if he doesn't die. Going to shoot him in the head on the ground and defend that with the Castle doctrine? That will be a fine test case.
Well, maybe he is a gang member and many come to your house. Maybe his family will sue you as the forensics show that he wasn't a threat as he was just a drunk who wandered in.
And horrors, all you steely eyed dealers of death think you and your family will come out of a killing happy as clams.
Lots of research show that you may be psychologically and socially messed up. That's why lots of folks teach a challenge if possible.
Well, maybe he is a gang member and many come to your house. Maybe his family will sue you as the forensics show that he wasn't a threat as he was just a drunk who wandered in.
And horrors, all you steely eyed dealers of death think you and your family will come out of a killing happy as clams.
Lots of research show that you may be psychologically and socially messed up. That's why lots of folks teach a challenge if possible.
In my case he better have his super sonic ear buds installed as my Mossberg is fully loaded and my safety is real quiet...
serious as a heart attack... That is my goal. Do what I gotta do and call 911. This is a home invasion or robbery and not the time for chit chat.
Brent
serious as a heart attack... That is my goal. Do what I gotta do and call 911. This is a home invasion or robbery and not the time for chit chat.
Brent
Glenn, He will be dead... I can't take my eyes off the thug to call 911 until he is no longer a threat and I am neither a battlefield surgeon nor mortician I am a simple guy and deciding threat or no threat is as easy as breathing or not breathing...
It is callous but thug life rules say things like live by the gun die by the gun.
Brent
It is callous but thug life rules say things like live by the gun die by the gun.
Brent
WINSTON THE WOLF
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I sometimes worry if someone breaks in when I am away from my home. I have a big safe so they know something is valuable in there. But they also will see my best shot targets on the side of it. That gives them something to think about. "Do they feel lucky" When I come home and they are still there. Kind of like a beware of dog sign.........lol
WINSTON THE WOLF
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yeah I hear you. I have a couple empty holsters on the safe.
they don't know how many I have in the safe or have with me........Deaf Smith
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If you have ever taken a class by Massad Ayoob you will find this issue well addressed. Another good class is one given by SouthNarc on this kind of subject.
Language that provolkes a violent response is not a good idea. Nether is talking to much (you don't need to 'read them their rights' or chit-chat.)
Your language should be in monosyllables. Sort and strait to the point.
If they have a weapon, shout for them to drop it. Not only is that telling them to drop the weapon, but anyone in earshot will hear that and know a weapon was being used.
Just say what is needed to be said and them keep your eyes open! Not only for the threat in front, but anyone to the sides or behind.
Language that provolkes a violent response is not a good idea. Nether is talking to much (you don't need to 'read them their rights' or chit-chat.)
Your language should be in monosyllables. Sort and strait to the point.
If they have a weapon, shout for them to drop it. Not only is that telling them to drop the weapon, but anyone in earshot will hear that and know a weapon was being used.
Just say what is needed to be said and them keep your eyes open! Not only for the threat in front, but anyone to the sides or behind.
After careful consideration of how our local sheriff would react to the aftermath -
Someone found in my house without my permission, In a controlled voice I would say "Goodbye" and then proceed to empty the magazine.
For someone caught on my property without my permission, I would do the exact same thing.
If they are stupid enough to try and do their thing on my property or my home, they deserve the aftermath. I once did hold 2 BG's at gunpoint until the police arrived (they had entered my house in San Diego without authorization and it turned out were members of an outlaw motorcycle gang). I was told by the responding officers that I should have saved them all the hassle and just shot them both with the .357 revolver. But at that time I was scared sh*tless and just held them until the cops got there.
Now living in southern Oregon (out in the boonies so to speak) I abide by what I said above. Not as scared anymore.
Someone found in my house without my permission, In a controlled voice I would say "Goodbye" and then proceed to empty the magazine.
For someone caught on my property without my permission, I would do the exact same thing.
If they are stupid enough to try and do their thing on my property or my home, they deserve the aftermath. I once did hold 2 BG's at gunpoint until the police arrived (they had entered my house in San Diego without authorization and it turned out were members of an outlaw motorcycle gang). I was told by the responding officers that I should have saved them all the hassle and just shot them both with the .357 revolver. But at that time I was scared sh*tless and just held them until the cops got there.
Now living in southern Oregon (out in the boonies so to speak) I abide by what I said above. Not as scared anymore.
hogdogs wrote:
There are alot of people on this board who do not use their heads. So many with such bravado and swagger. So many that seem, comfy in their computer chairs, to have no remorse, and no thought for human life. These attitudes are bad. Thank God that most people with these Clint Eastwood Make My Day attitudes are usually the first to pee their pants or run screaming and shaking when their tough guy button is not engaged, safely behind the internet.
Sorry to pick on you so much hogdogs, its just that you made the most statements that show an attitude that I could most defiantly use against you in court. You make it easy with your own rambo rants to paint you as a murderer. A cold, callous, rambo wanna-be, just waiting to deal out death to anyone who crossed your path, with no thought of remorse or negotiation.
You live your thug life, and how dare they be so brazen to challenge me, and oh yeah 911, take your time, this dude's dead, who cares....
You think these words, and others won't be dug up by a good attorney and used to put you in prison? Regardless of what laws may be in place, they paint you in a bad light to a jury, and you acting like dirty harry, and you could find yourself in deep trouble.
Self Defence is to save a life ONLY. PERIOD. Not an excuse to play tough guy. And I'm not trying to bust your balls here, you just need to scrutinize what you say and write carefully. The Prosecution undoubtedly will.....
There are alot of people on this board who do not use their heads. So many with such bravado and swagger. So many that seem, comfy in their computer chairs, to have no remorse, and no thought for human life. These attitudes are bad. Thank God that most people with these Clint Eastwood Make My Day attitudes are usually the first to pee their pants or run screaming and shaking when their tough guy button is not engaged, safely behind the internet.
Sorry to pick on you so much hogdogs, its just that you made the most statements that show an attitude that I could most defiantly use against you in court. You make it easy with your own rambo rants to paint you as a murderer. A cold, callous, rambo wanna-be, just waiting to deal out death to anyone who crossed your path, with no thought of remorse or negotiation.
You live your thug life, and how dare they be so brazen to challenge me, and oh yeah 911, take your time, this dude's dead, who cares....
You think these words, and others won't be dug up by a good attorney and used to put you in prison? Regardless of what laws may be in place, they paint you in a bad light to a jury, and you acting like dirty harry, and you could find yourself in deep trouble.
Self Defence is to save a life ONLY. PERIOD. Not an excuse to play tough guy. And I'm not trying to bust your balls here, you just need to scrutinize what you say and write carefully. The Prosecution undoubtedly will.....
David Armstrong
Moderator
And all the evidence available tends to indicate burglars will try to avoid homes where they know somebody may be armed.
If that really worries you, get a gun safe and teach your child how to shoot. Not sure why that would be a worry but having a gunbattle with the child in the house doesn't bother you.
Few burglars are murderers, and you may certainly choose however you wish to treat them inside your home. I would suggest that while perhaps it is psychologically rewarding to shoot them, in reality it is far more likely to result in only making the problem worse.
Many have made that same assumption, only to be proven wrong. It ain't Hollywood, the good guys don't always win.
Sigma 40 Blaster
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Warnings should be short and sweet, stop, don't move, drop it, get down.
While you're in the middle of an adrenaline filled cursing frenzy your brain is seeking to finish the sentence, your reaction time to further aggression by the BG might be impeded just enough to hurt you because you're pre-occupied with your rambling string of profanities.
Also, you don't want to get a cornered animal any more afraid...same principle applies here. Once you have drawn a weapon and issued a command you have reversed roles, any further verbal aggression is senseless and serves no purpose.
While you're in the middle of an adrenaline filled cursing frenzy your brain is seeking to finish the sentence, your reaction time to further aggression by the BG might be impeded just enough to hurt you because you're pre-occupied with your rambling string of profanities.
Also, you don't want to get a cornered animal any more afraid...same principle applies here. Once you have drawn a weapon and issued a command you have reversed roles, any further verbal aggression is senseless and serves no purpose.
Mr.Armstrong, The whole reason for me not giving warning is to avoid a "gun battle"... One person shooting an intruder is not a gun battle.
Derius, I have a high regard for human life! All respectful, law abiding humans will get the shirt off my back, first aid, help loading groceries etc.
But I refuse to allow anyone to attempt to victimize me or my family and will try my best to prevent the same for others. I give the life of a criminal the same respect they give me...
As for most burglars are not murderers... Correct but anyone who enters an occupied dwelling is a home invader not a simple burglar. Anyone who enters my home without permission is presumed to be heavily armed and extremely dangerous and I have not the time nor inclination to assess the situation to determine if threat is reduced.
Brent
Derius, I have a high regard for human life! All respectful, law abiding humans will get the shirt off my back, first aid, help loading groceries etc.
But I refuse to allow anyone to attempt to victimize me or my family and will try my best to prevent the same for others. I give the life of a criminal the same respect they give me...
As for most burglars are not murderers... Correct but anyone who enters an occupied dwelling is a home invader not a simple burglar. Anyone who enters my home without permission is presumed to be heavily armed and extremely dangerous and I have not the time nor inclination to assess the situation to determine if threat is reduced.
Brent
HoraceHogsnort
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Me too.
hogdogs, I'm not saying even for a second that a threat to you or your loved ones should be taken lightly. A home invader is most defiantly as real as it gets. Its make or break time then. I whole heartedly agree.
However, its your words, phrasing, and general attitude that I was concerned with. If you come across as overly aggressive or ready to kill to a guy like me, then how do you think you will come off to the police, or a jury? Call 911 with that attitude, and conduct the call in that manner? Really? Just sounds ignorant, and full of internet bravado. If you were to use those words, you can believe me that it would be used against you.
You just have to be careful how you present yourself, and what you choose to say when on a PUBLIC forum. Thats the whole point, not that you shouldn't protect you or yours with whatever tools are at your disposal. You just don't need to sound happy about it.....it can bite you.
However, its your words, phrasing, and general attitude that I was concerned with. If you come across as overly aggressive or ready to kill to a guy like me, then how do you think you will come off to the police, or a jury? Call 911 with that attitude, and conduct the call in that manner? Really? Just sounds ignorant, and full of internet bravado. If you were to use those words, you can believe me that it would be used against you.
You just have to be careful how you present yourself, and what you choose to say when on a PUBLIC forum. Thats the whole point, not that you shouldn't protect you or yours with whatever tools are at your disposal. You just don't need to sound happy about it.....it can bite you.
Threefeathers
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After much thought I've decided, "Hola Senor, Alto."
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