Landlord demanding gun serial #s from renter/tenant?

I saw a gun out once, and just got the numbers on it and dropped into their file.

What if he had shot her? Me.? Another tenant? So, it was proper to do that
What if he had shot someone? That piece of paper with a serial number on it is going to do what exactly?.
No it was not proper it was an invasion of privacy that you had no right to commit.
Who gave you permission to handle his gun?
If someone had come into your home and handled your property without your permission would you feel the same?
Just because they are renters does not make that place any less their castle, you were there as a handy man not a private detective>

I worked pest control for many years, went unescorted into many homes, saw many things and reported a couple.
Never in 25 years did I ever handle any item in anyones home and I would instantly have terminated any employee that I had discovered doing so.


My mother and step father were semi slumlords for years
I say semi because they were honest with their tenants about it.
I saw them bully as many people as got over on them.
When push came to shove they usually backed off if they were remotely in the wrong
 
Blackmail? I think not.

Dear Dreadnaut: You state what I am discussing with Samarui would be extortion or blackmail. The definition you use describes such acts as an attempt to obtain money or something of value. Neither money, nor something of value, is being requested in that scenario.

black•mail (blăk'māl') n.
1. a. Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information.
b. Something of value extorted in this manner.


It is NOT extortion or blackmail to simply advise the Lender of the N/O/O status of a property secured by a Deed of Trust specifying it to be an owner occupied property.

The Lessor is not requesting money, however, the Lessor is making it clear to the Landlord that attempts at bullying him further, may result in their being quite busy over the next thirty days in attempts to obtain a mortgage refinance, or earn thirty thousand dollars to pay off that loan if the Lender were to call it in as a result of discovering a fraud.

But the Lessor is NOT attempting to obtain money or anything of value for him or herself, thus your argument that doing so would constitute extortion or blackmail is incorrect.

Granted most trial lawyers would argue such an act would constitute a civil tort, HOWEVER, the fact remains most Plaintiff lawyers work on a contingency fee basis in such matters.

Being that not much money from a civil court judgment could be collected from an average college student renting a house (being that an average college students' gross assets usually amount to a couple of cinder blocks bookshelves, a cable spool dining table, four folding chars and an eighty dollar television set) I wouldn't be too concerned with a Plaintiff lawyer agreeing to take on a civil suit in such a matter with such little chance of recompense.

Coupled with the fact that it is very, very doubtful a jury could be persuaded to find for a landlord engaged in bullying tactics, I really don't see much of a problem for anyone but the Landlord.

The best thing for a landlord, who does not want their Lessor to be able to protect themselves against intruders, is to address the firearm issue up front, in the written lease agreement previous to signing one.

And if they recall signing an owner occupied affidavit at their purchase loan closing, and their note contains a "due and payable" clause which might allow for the Lender to call the note in within thirty days if the property is not owner occupied, it might be a good idea to either not "go to war" with their Lessor, or they might consider refinancing the note with another mortgage lender as a "Non Owner Occupied" investment property.

If a clause in an existing lease agreement does not exist barring a Lessor from keeping guns within that property, it would probably just be best for a Landlord to simply not bully a Lessor simply because of an "anti-gun" bias.

Then, when the lease is up, re-write it to agree up front that anyone leasing the property will not be able to keep and bear arms within that property during the term of the lease.
 
I have to go with Gary on this one. When all you're asking for is something that you're already legally entitled to (i.e. adherence to the terms of a valid contract requiring a habitable residence), then informing the landlord that continued breach of the contract may result in exposing another contract breach to an injured third party is neither extortion or blackmail. Extortion and blackmail involve demanding payment, of some kind. Here, you're not demanding payment, because you're not getting anything "of value" out of the deal. You're already entitled to what you're demanding.

You're demanding that the guy live up to his end of the deal. If he doesn't, you're well within your right to sue on the contract, and if you do, it's very likely that this information about the lending agreement will become publicized. You're also well within your right to inform the landlord of this fact, so that he clearly understands the natural consequences of his breach of contract.
 
And it was on the coffee table where I put the note of having been there for service. He was a boyfriend, and not on the lease. They broke up later and he came over several times late at night drunk causing a disturbance. I had to ask him to leave. He had it in his back pocket. She even made a report of it. What if he had shot her? Me.? Another tenant? So, it was proper to do that. It ended up that the police came back, seems he was on the "lamb" for outstanding warrants in California. They lived over me and the fighting was constant. Some times you get a feeling, I'm glad I did.

Yep, your private little gun registration did zilch to prevent any future events.

And so what if the boyfriend had shot her? What does your copying down of serial numbers do to affect things one way or the other. All you know is that there was a gun in the apartment at some point prior to all of the events and you had know direct knowledge of ownership at the time.

Do you write down all serial numbers of guns you encounter in your residences...just in case? What do you hope to gain with said information? How is that information protecting anybody?

Hell, if you are going to write down the numbers, why not just go ahead and call them in to the cops....just in case...
 
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