Have had the priledge to hunt some of the best private hunting grounds around my area and am very thankfull to the landowners for permission to do so. A lot of this land adjoins my own. One of the first things I was told when I moved here was about the poaching, trash being dumped on property and in general the lack of respect towards one`s property someone else could have. After being burned several times myself by some people that live close by it didn`t take long for me to have to really know someone to give them permission to hunt. Most of the farmers that have been around here for years told me I would get that way. I,as them don`t let people hunt unless we know them. Its sad to have to be that way but after having to replace fence`s people have run through ATV`S, drove or screwed tree climbing steps into valuable trees,etc. you have to do something.
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It's just family and some close friends that hunt (rabbit, quail, peasant, coyote, whitetail and antelope) on our land. We tried letting others hunt for free but got tired of other stuff getting shot and tore up. Thought about starting to let others again but putting up hidden trail cameras around but figured if anyone found them they'd get shot up or end up missing. 
While I would agree that any small business has its' drawbacks and certainly would expect that anyone would utilize their land as best suits them financially, with the government subsidies out there, anyone who can't make it on the gov welfare opportunities should go get a job. If you want to talk about the CRP program or the amount that ranchers pay to feed their animals on public ground then one could have the opinion that landowners are allready being paid by public funds and we should have some opportunity to hunt OUR wildlife w/o paying exorbatant fees to do so.
Discuss......
elkman06
Expanding on your line of thought...Since the cornflakes in your cupboard are provided by these welfare leeching farmers, I should be free to enter your home at my leisure and enjoy a bowl?
I can understand your frustration trying to find hunting areas but it's silly to suggest collectivizing private land for hunting. It reeks of envy.
I can understand your frustration trying to find hunting areas but it's silly to suggest collectivizing private land for hunting. It reeks of envy.
Well John,
Kind of an odd way to twist my thoughts...I don't believe I have any checks nor yearly subsidies, nor special loan programs that I tap into so No..I don't believe your thought process equates in following mine. If you are hungry though I might just help you out though. It just amazes me that the same people who do enjoy such benefits can do so w/o ever having to give back to the folks who support them. Much like that same group would scream about welfare being handed out in the inner city. They would insist that the welfare recipients have to do some form of public works to receive the monthly check.
Unfortunately we pander to them, allow them special hunting seasons and licensing, allow them to graze their cattle on public ground for $3.50 per AU and they still get to charge me trespass fees when my tax dollars are allready supporting them. Maybe you don't have generations of farmers living off of the public dole where you live w/o ever putting a plow into the ground but here in Wyo we do. I believe that the minute they cash their CRP check that they should be giving something back to me....the taxpayer. All I want is the ability to hunt and fish our public wildlife providing I do no destruction to his property and treat it w/ respect.
Lastly, your post suggests I owe them something for growing the food I eat. Last I checked, that food cost me something to purchase. That's where he should get his wages and if he can't make it, he can get a job like me. No one is paying me to not go to work each day.
elkman06
Kind of an odd way to twist my thoughts...I don't believe I have any checks nor yearly subsidies, nor special loan programs that I tap into so No..I don't believe your thought process equates in following mine. If you are hungry though I might just help you out though. It just amazes me that the same people who do enjoy such benefits can do so w/o ever having to give back to the folks who support them. Much like that same group would scream about welfare being handed out in the inner city. They would insist that the welfare recipients have to do some form of public works to receive the monthly check.
Unfortunately we pander to them, allow them special hunting seasons and licensing, allow them to graze their cattle on public ground for $3.50 per AU and they still get to charge me trespass fees when my tax dollars are allready supporting them. Maybe you don't have generations of farmers living off of the public dole where you live w/o ever putting a plow into the ground but here in Wyo we do. I believe that the minute they cash their CRP check that they should be giving something back to me....the taxpayer. All I want is the ability to hunt and fish our public wildlife providing I do no destruction to his property and treat it w/ respect.
Lastly, your post suggests I owe them something for growing the food I eat. Last I checked, that food cost me something to purchase. That's where he should get his wages and if he can't make it, he can get a job like me. No one is paying me to not go to work each day.
elkman06
Farming
I do not know anything about farming in Wyoming. But I know a little bit about it here in WV. I would like to be able to get the monies you are talking about?? How do I get some?? I realize we are small time farmers. We only run 38 head of Black Angus. But I would like to find some fuel subsidies?? Who do I call?? Most small farmers here in WV do have a full time job, besides running their farm. Tom.
I do not know anything about farming in Wyoming. But I know a little bit about it here in WV. I would like to be able to get the monies you are talking about?? How do I get some?? I realize we are small time farmers. We only run 38 head of Black Angus. But I would like to find some fuel subsidies?? Who do I call?? Most small farmers here in WV do have a full time job, besides running their farm. Tom.
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/programs/crp/
The CRP program has been paying farmers in many states to not grow wheat and other food stocks for years..They plant grasses which control erosion and aid wildlife and sit back and collect a govt check for doing nothing from then on...Most of them in my hometown spend their days sitting down at the local truck stop b*^&^ing about the price of diesel they put in their new Super Duty. Seriously, one family I know of have not farmed for 30ish years and have been doing just fine. They do not see it as a govt handout tho. It's their right since they own land.
Most ranchers out west do not rely on their own property to raise their angus. They pay a few dollars per month for each cow/calf pair to graze them on public ground. This allows for the ranchers to have extremely larger herds as they only have to pay real feed costs for about half of the year. We taxpayers are effectively helping them to support their industry and personal businesses.
I have actively fought the USFS, the Wy G&F, and local ranching units who get together in back room politics. Where I hunt now has roadless public areas that are contiguous to private property(ranch) with special elk permits for just those areas. I am talking about a 6x8mi section of ground. I can only access the areas now if I either walk or purchase horses to access the area. The G&F supply the elk permits and the rancher guides on his and our property to the tune of thousands of dollars per elk.
The G&F set up a special elk area two yrs ago to address a bunch of elk eating a ranchers hay stack. Rather than work with the public though, they allow him to charge whatever he sees fit to do this. All they did is set up a method for him to make money to offset his losses. That may not seem bad on the surface but why are we managing a elk herd for him?
elkman06
The CRP program has been paying farmers in many states to not grow wheat and other food stocks for years..They plant grasses which control erosion and aid wildlife and sit back and collect a govt check for doing nothing from then on...Most of them in my hometown spend their days sitting down at the local truck stop b*^&^ing about the price of diesel they put in their new Super Duty. Seriously, one family I know of have not farmed for 30ish years and have been doing just fine. They do not see it as a govt handout tho. It's their right since they own land.
Most ranchers out west do not rely on their own property to raise their angus. They pay a few dollars per month for each cow/calf pair to graze them on public ground. This allows for the ranchers to have extremely larger herds as they only have to pay real feed costs for about half of the year. We taxpayers are effectively helping them to support their industry and personal businesses.
I have actively fought the USFS, the Wy G&F, and local ranching units who get together in back room politics. Where I hunt now has roadless public areas that are contiguous to private property(ranch) with special elk permits for just those areas. I am talking about a 6x8mi section of ground. I can only access the areas now if I either walk or purchase horses to access the area. The G&F supply the elk permits and the rancher guides on his and our property to the tune of thousands of dollars per elk.
The G&F set up a special elk area two yrs ago to address a bunch of elk eating a ranchers hay stack. Rather than work with the public though, they allow him to charge whatever he sees fit to do this. All they did is set up a method for him to make money to offset his losses. That may not seem bad on the surface but why are we managing a elk herd for him?
elkman06
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