Kyle Rittenhouse trial set for early November .

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> UPDATE: To provide some context, for more than 12 minutes ADA Binger
> tried to get McGinnis to testify that Rosenbaum was already falling to the
> ground when Rittenhouse began shooting him–in other words, that
> Rittenhouse simply executed Rosenbaum by shooting him in the back when
> he was helplessly falling.
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>>> Binger: So Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum, in the back, as he was falling, correct?
>>> McGinnis: No, Rittenhouse didn’t fire until Rosenbaum charged and lunged at him.
>>> Binger: So he shot him as he was falling?
>>> McGinnis: No, not falling, lunging.
>>> Binger: So you’re saying he shot him while he was falling?
>>> McGinnis: No, that’s not my testimony. Lunging.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/...ate-witness-richard-mcginnis-of-daily-caller/

Branca interim report today at 14:00
TRAIN WRECK: Rittenhouse Prosecution Implodes With State Witness Richard McGinnis of Daily Caller
 
Yeah that line of questioning was silly . So Greg Louganis fell off the board , no he dove off the board but what you’re saying is he fell to the water no he dove into the water that’s what I said he fell .
 
The part that most interested me was when the talk veered into the ballistics comparison of a Glock 17 to that of an AR 15 and Balch tried to pass off the AR's fmj as a less than ideal projectile that likely would just pass through someone without transferring it's retained energy unlike the Glock's hollow point. That really struck me as being a bit disingenuous and injurious to his credibility.
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What in good God's name does this have anything to do with whether KR acted in self defense?
 
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> UPDATE: To provide some context, for more than 12 minutes ADA Binger
> tried to get McGinnis to testify that Rosenbaum was already falling to the
> ground when Rittenhouse began shooting him–in other words, that
> Rittenhouse simply executed Rosenbaum by shooting him in the back when
> he was helplessly falling.
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>>> Binger: So Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum, in the back, as he was falling, correct?
>>> McGinnis: No, Rittenhouse didn’t fire until Rosenbaum charged and lunged at him.
>>> Binger: So he shot him as he was falling?
>>> McGinnis: No, not falling, lunging.
>>> Binger: So you’re saying he shot him while he was falling?
>>> McGinnis: No, that’s not my testimony. Lunging.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/1...-daily-caller/

Branca interim report today at 14:00
TRAIN WRECK: Rittenhouse Prosecution Implodes With State Witness Richard McGinnis of Daily Caller
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I watched the cross-examination of McGinnis while it was taking place and do not recall those exact words being used by Binger, "shooting him in the back." I have also watched the recordings of the examination that I could find on Youtube and could not find the verbal exchange between Binger and McGinnis where he says that. Could anyone point out an actual video or official court transcript where those words were used?
 
I watched the cross-examination of McGinnis
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I don't remember the specifics , I'll have to go back and check . However the prosecution said it more then once for sure during the trial . At least once in his opening and I'd have to go back and see when else . At minimum he was trying to get the jury to think Kyle shot him in the back while he was falling as if he tripped or something on direct . I also heard the prosecution say multiple times the shot that killed Rosenbaum was a shot to the back .

That's are point or at least mine . he's completely taking this .76 of a second action as if Kyle sat there and simply shot him in the back . If anything and he might on cross of the medical examiner . the defense should ask how is it possible to fire 4 shot in less then a second with 3 shots hitting the victim in the front and one in the back ? I'd bet dollars to donuts that the shot in his back will have a trajectory yes in his back but likely up by his shoulder with the bullet traveling towards his legs more then straight through his body . Which will be consistent with the position the witness says he saw as Rosenbaum lunged/reach for the gun .

I'll add as an "expert" ;) on firearms . those shots as I heard there placement are consistent with the recoil of the firearm as it's fired rapidly . Leg , hip , torso , back with each shot raising the muzzle a bit higher after each shot . I can't tell you how many times I've seen that pattern on a torso target when firing as fast as I can . POI rides right up the target .

I've been told by instructors in have to shoot right this second , don't wait to get your sights center mass as you bring the gun up from the draw . Start firing as soon as you are clear and pointed in the direction of the target . I'll add this was for very close with in touching distances . This is because the guns natural upward recoil will bring the gun up for you as you fire it quickly .

Please don't take what I just said to mean fire the gun and let the recoil take it where ever it goes . You all know exactly what I'm saying .:) You must still stay in control of the firearm at all times .
 
I don't remember the specifics , I'll have to go back and check . However the prosecution said it more then once for sure during the trial . At least once in his opening and I'd have to go back and see when else . At minimum he was trying to get the jury to think Kyle shot him in the back while he was falling as if he tripped or something on direct . I also heard the prosecution say multiple times the shot that killed Rosenbaum was a shot to the back .

That's are point or at least mine . he's completely taking this .76 of a second action as if Kyle sat there and simply shot him in the back . If anything and he might on cross of the medical examiner . the defense should ask how is it possible to fire 4 shot in less then a second with 3 shots hitting the victim in the front and one in the back ? I'd bet dollars to donuts that the shot in his back will have a trajectory yes in his back but likely up by his shoulder with the bullet traveling towards his legs more then straight through his body . Which will be consistent with the position the witness says he saw as Rosenbaum lunged/reach for the gun .

I'll add as an "expert" on firearms . those shots as I heard there placement are consistent with the recoil of the firearm as it's fired rapidly . Leg , hip , torso , back with each shot raising the muzzle a bit higher after each shot . I can't tell you how many times I've seen that pattern on a torso target when firing as fast as I can . POI rides right up the target .

I've been told by instructors in have to shoot right this second , don't wait to get your sights center mass as you bring the gun up from the draw . Start firing as soon as you are clear and pointed in the direction of the target . I'll add this was for very close with in touching distances . This is because the guns natural upward recoil will bring the gun up for you as you fire it quickly .

Please don't take what I just said to mean fire the gun and let the recoil take it where ever it goes . You all know exactly what I'm saying . You must still stay in control of the firearm at all times .
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I did not hear Binger elicit from McGinnis at any time that Rosenbaum was shot in the back by Rittenhouse-- what I DID hear was Binger ask McGinnis about Rosenbaum's body after he had been shot that his body was face down with his back facing up to McGinnis--whereupon McGinnis confirmed he rolled Rosenbaum over to survey wounds (his father had been an ER doc according to McGinnis) and apply aid. I haven't watched every single second of the televised portion of the trial, though I have watched much of it--so it's possible that Binger may have actually asked that question at some point--as any prosecutor probably would--to establish the bounds of what my or may not have happened as viewed by a witness. It's funny/sad how "the usual suspects" in social media think Binger is inept and incompetent--right now I think he's roasting Rittenhouse and the defense who IMO are not doing a very good job so far of defending Rittenhouse. That kid is in very real trouble and real jeopardy of spending the rest of his life incarcerated.
 
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Start at 41:30 for actual testimony/description of the shooting sequence.
DA Binger -v- McGinnis
https://youtu.be/8yH9c05a804
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I've watched that three times--unless my computer has an advanced hack that somehow is reprocessing the video on the fly--I still do not see at any point where Binger asserts Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in the back. I simply asked for evidence of where that assertion comes from. I still don't see it in the video link you provided.
 
've watched that three times--unless my computer has an advanced hack that somehow is reprocessing the video on the fly--I still do not see at any point where Binger asserts Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in the back. I simply asked for evidence of where that assertion comes from. I still don't see it in the video link you provided.
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STAG: The link was not to prove anything one way or the other.
It was provided as primary source as to facts at hand.

The Branca interim report [yesterday] at 14:00 was . . . the Branca report.
 
STAG: The link was not to prove anything one way or the other.
It was provided as primary source as to facts at hand.

The Branca interim report [yesterday] at 14:00 was . . . the Branca report.
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I'm calling BS on the Branca quote--and further references that claim the prosecution has said that numerous times.

The Judge is an unusual character. I will reserve judgement until all is said and done.
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Agreed, he seems to be treating the whole affair with the solemnity of a jaywalking ticket.
 
From everything I've read, and what little I've seen, the only thing this prosecutor seems to be doing is reinforcing that KR desperately attempted to evade a confrontation and only fired at the last possible second.

And that is being built out of the prosecution's own witnesses DURING the ADA questioning.

My opinion is meaningless here, but the self defense claim seems pretty cemented at this point. Now, will the jurors risk themselves by voting to acquit is the bigger issue at question here in my mind.
 
I'm trying to figure out how the questioning of Rosenblum's girlfriend did not open the door to the restraining order . She testified the two of them were basically always together to the point of saying they were really never apart . Then testified he "walked" 1 hour from down town to where "they" lived . she also testified they talked about there relationship and how things could be better and then Rosenbaum left . Not only left but left his home with nowhere to go .

So many questions come from that .

So you say you where talking about your relation ship ? Has there been a problem lately ? if so what kind ?

You said he left with really nowhere to go , did you ask him to leave ? Did you not want him there ? If so why

Why did he leave your home you both live in after getting out of the hospital and walking there for an hour ?

Why could they not have asked those question bringing in the that there was a restraining order and that's why he left his own home with nowhere to go ?
 
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What is the current definition of murder?
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> It is considered the most serious form of homicide, in which one person
> kills another with the intention to cause either death or
> serious injury unlawfully. The element of intentionality was originally
> termed malice aforethought, although it required neither malice nor
> premeditation.

It does sound like some here have already made their minds up...
though actual evidence/testimony is yet on-going.


Film at Eleven....
(literally):rolleyes:
 
It does sound like some here have already made their minds up..
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I know I did the first time seeing the video or the first couple days after the shootings based on the videos at the time . I make no bones about that and believe that's been clear based on my posts .

This is the reason I'm confused how the prosecution is running his side . I had expected him to make me go hmm I didn't realize that , maybe I've not had the correct opinion on the case or at minimum give me any sort of doubt of Kyles innocents but he has not .
 
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lol , the second I say prosecution has done nothing to cast doubt they establish nobody from car source asked Kyle or his friends to help defend the car lots . I'll have to see what happens on cross but that's a big deal to me because it has always been my understanding they were there because they were asked to be there .

The one thing that makes me think the car lot guys are just covering there butts . Is because if they did ask armed citizens to guard there lots . That opens them up to liability and civil lawsuits . They have a reason to hide the fact they did ask for there help . Just like Black did when saying my dad just put the guns around the house , we have no idea how Kyle got the gun . CYA baby . Although there has been no testimony of it we all know how Kyle got that gun .

EDIT : The very first question on cross went to liability
 
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Some folks have taken the incomplete,inaccurate news and social media pre-trial reports and speculation
They have "filled in the blanks" with their own speculation,jumped to conclusions,and formed their own verdict before the trial.

Now its egos on display. Or being at the bar for a Broncos/Raiders game.

Folks are watching the trial for "I was right,you were wrong" or "My team is winning". No matter what the verdict,the "fans" want to be winners. Its not about justice. Its about narcissistic self gratification.

And that is "Justice in America today"

If this Judge provides a court to give KR a fair trial,I'm grateful.

We who advocate for the right to self defense hopefully understand that we will be held accountable for every bullet we launch.

I don't know how many times KR fired.The number does not matter. Its not sports stats/batting avearages. The trial may prove 8 were justified and 2 were not. Could be. I don't know. Thats why there is a trial.

Its also my opinion that we should remember K/R IS subject to a degree of excusable human fallibility.

Police sometimes have collateral damage or make mistakes evaluating a threat in the fraction of a second they have to make a decision.

Our military.despite intelligence reports,occasionally makes a drone strike that kills 10 innocent civillians.

Fog of war. Its real. KR was in a "fog of war" situation. Was he pulling a "Last Man Standing " scene,mag dumping into the crowd,or did he stop aggressors from attacking him?

I hope Truth comes out in KR's trial. I hope he gets fair trial.

I hope the bias against the AR-15 is rendered irrelevent. AR-15 vs Glock 19 should make no difference. Period.
 
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And on the Third Day.....

https://lawofselfdefense.com/rittenhouse-trial-day-3-prosecutions-own-witnesses-confound-prosecution
To this absolutely catastrophic testimony, ADA Binger could do little but flail.
Did you actually see Rosenbaum actually injure anybody?
No, though I did see him set fires. A dumpster, lots of other little fires, all up and down the street.
Then, remarkably—besides the fires you saw him set, did you see him set any other fires?

I mean, seriously Bininger
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