Kriss Sphinx SDP 9mm

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Just bought this pistol and all I can say is YEAH! just picked it up in Saturday so I haven't shot it yet but man o man is it a work of art! All I can say is this gun feels like it was made especially for me, fits like a glove! I'm soooo looking forward to hitting the range Friday and putting it through its paces :-)
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It must be Swiss.
It looks like it's been carved out of a giant piece of chocolate, come to think.
It must be new, as their web site doesn't show it.
 
Sphinx pistols used to be more straightforward CZ75 copies, and I think they cost $2000, 15-20 years ago?
Is the separate grip frame of the new guns supposed to allow interchanging different sizes?
Why do all European guns seem to have the goofy, square trigger guard? The finger-forward grip was never very popular, and less so now, than ever.
 
Sphinx is swiss. Kriss isn't they just distribute them in the USA.

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This isn't the same model but when Sabre distributed them they were truly art. I can't stand the new rail and other changes.

Not to rain on your new gun parade im sure the SDP will stack up just as nicely to the sabre ones.
 
Why do all European guns seem to have the goofy, square trigger guard? The finger-forward grip was never very popular, and less so now, than ever.

Is there a problem with a square trigger guard?
 
I've got one on loan and have been shooting it a bit...

Very nice gun. Great user manual. Everything works as it should. The one I'm using is very accurate, and the SA trigger, while heavy, is very crisp and it feels several pounds lighter than it "feels." The DA trigger, at least for me, is just marginally acceptable -- very heavy. (According to my trigger-weight scale, its about 10+ lbs. in DA and about 5.5 lbs in SA... but SA feels about 4, or a bit less.) The gun has some HEFT to it and, as you can see, several different grips.

Another fellow in our area (NC) is also doing a long-term evaluation, and he feels the trigger just needs to "be gotten used to..." I hope he's right. He actually LIKES the heavy trigger and has no problems with the DA/SA transition. It's still a bit of a problem for me, but I've only shot a couple of boxes through it, thus far. (I don't expect it to get lighter; I expect ME to become more proficient with it.)

I think I would prefer a "safety-equipped" model rather than a decocker model, so that I could start from "cocked and locked" -- but those aren't readily available, at present. They will be.

These guns are available in several formats. They have steel or stainless steel slides, with two-part frames. The frame can be 1) steel top, steel bottom, 2) alloy top, alloy bottom, or 3) alloy top, polymer bottom, or stainless/stainless. The full-size models are coming.

Note: several folks have commented about the similarity of this gun to the CZ P-07. While they do, in fact, look a lot alike, they quite different internally -- a key point being the Sphinx's two-part frame, and it's availability in other than just polymer. I've only just seen a P-07 recently, and think it is quite a bit lighter than the SDP, too. (The SDP seems to be closer to the traditional CZ-75 design as were prior Sphinx pistols; the P-07 is quite a bit different.) Owners manuals of the two guns show exploded diagrams which display the obvious differences.

I've owned several Sphinx pistols in the past (from the 2000 series), and felt they were like CZs on steroids (or semi-custom CZs.) All of they have been accurate, beautifully fit and finished, and a bit pricey. These guns (the SDP version) will probably sell in the $1000 range, maybe a bit less.

Sphinx/Kriss says these guns are designed to made at a higher production level, and Sphinx/Kriss seem to be more seriously focused on finding a market for their guns in the U.S. than in prior years. (I know they have a number of guns out for evaluation, and they're making NO EFFORT to manage the comments of those doing the evaluations.) That takes guts and also show great confidence in their products.

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Why do all European guns seem to have the goofy, square trigger guard? The finger-forward grip was never very popular, and less so now, than ever.

Is there a problem with a square trigger guard?

Makes the gun bigger, bulkier (uglier, but that's a matter of opinion), and with no benefit. Sort of like 3-dot sights, I suppose; they're on most guns, even though they provide an awful sight picture.
 
Makes the gun bigger, bulkier (uglier, but that's a matter of opinion), and with no benefit.

Than a rounded trigger guard? Just barely IMO. In a holster I fail to see how it is even noticeable. As for benefits, some folks like putting their supporting hand fingers there if they have big hands (not me, mine aren't big) but it also makes for a flush fit against a barricade when shooting. More notably the square trigger guard is usually good when shooting with gloves, which may or may not be a concern of yours. But hey, I like 3-dot sights so we're apples and oranges most likely.
 
Why do all European guns seem to have the goofy, square trigger guard?

Many of the European semi-autos are service pistols.. Most European countries have climates that include some very cold periods and the larger, squared trigger guards accommodate gloved fingers better than the smaller, rounded trigger guards.

(Some companies, like SIG, sort of compromise... with a mix of rounded and straight-front trigger guards.)
 
Different philosophies when it comes to America vs Europe and guns. Remember, in most European countries there is a limit to how many pistols you can own. Competitive shooters opt for a single, but high end, pistol. Americans, it seems, opt for multiple "service grade" pistols instead, to add to their "collection".

Have a looksie at what is popular among European shooters. You´ll find Sphinx 3000, Sig Neuhausen/Sauer P210, Sig Sauer X-Six, STI Targetmasters, Pardini GT6. These are made with competition in mind, not for self defense. Americans, and I´m generalizing, choose a weapon for home/personal defense, and shoot recreationally. So I guess it is somewhat true that European guns can tend to be less... tactical, than many US made guns.

Personally, if I were to get a Sphinx, I would never get a polymer frame. Actually, I would never get a polymer frame-anything.
 
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Personally, if I were to get a Sphinx, I would never get a polymer frame. Actually, I would never get a polymer frame-anything.

You've got the option to go many different routes, but they really don't offer a polymer-framed model.

They all have two-part frames, and none include a polymer upper frame assembly... They do offer one that has an alloy upper frame assembly and a polymer grip. The SDP I'm using is built that way. The other models are alloy/alloy or steel/steel or stainless steel/stainless steel. All of the Sphinx models use steel or alloy in the upper assembly, where the critical moving parts reside.

I "knew" that the lower part of the frame of the SDP was POLYMER, but I honestly didn't really notice the difference. The polymer segment looks just like the alloy upper unit, and doesn't really FEEL different -- probably because a good bit of it is covered by grips that can be swapped out.
 
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