DOD is currently (12:25 PM Eastern) holding a news conference with a US Army Ordnance Major who was in charge of removing and destroying the explosives that the IAEA, NY Times, CBS and the Kerry campaign SWEARS were looted and are currently being used to kill coalition soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Stay tuned, campers...its gonna get even uglier.
Kerry steps in it again!
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Interesting that the only news site currently running the story is the Bush mouthpiec (FOX). The others are probably keeping their distance since FOX has run at least three (that I caught) major stories in the last year that turned out to be fake. Even if this one is as stated, the point is:
"A Pentagon spokesman acknowledged they don't have all the answers and can't yet account for all of the missing material "
Before you declare victory, you may want to wait and see if there is any "there" there.
Army officer came forward Friday and said a team from the 3rd Infantry Division took about 250 tons of munititions and military material from the Al-Qaqaa (search) munitions base soon after Saddam Hussein's regime fell last year.
Explosives were included in the load taken by the team but Major Austin Pearson said he was unable to say what percentage it accounted for.
A Pentagon spokesman acknowledged they don't have all the answers and can't yet account for all of the missing material
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137017,00.html
For the record: none of the other major news sites are currently carrying this story.
http://www.cnn.com/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032092/?ta=y
"A Pentagon spokesman acknowledged they don't have all the answers and can't yet account for all of the missing material "
Before you declare victory, you may want to wait and see if there is any "there" there.
Army officer came forward Friday and said a team from the 3rd Infantry Division took about 250 tons of munititions and military material from the Al-Qaqaa (search) munitions base soon after Saddam Hussein's regime fell last year.
Explosives were included in the load taken by the team but Major Austin Pearson said he was unable to say what percentage it accounted for.
A Pentagon spokesman acknowledged they don't have all the answers and can't yet account for all of the missing material
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137017,00.html
For the record: none of the other major news sites are currently carrying this story.
http://www.cnn.com/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032092/?ta=y
Well, Bush stepped in it first.
Bush admin claims the reason the explosives disapperead is because Saddam would have moved them before the invasion. I'm thinking he wishes he hadn't said that now. But no worries: keep calling Kerry a moron because he made statements based on the report of the IAEA (that the explosives were there after the invasion) as well as this video evidence. And ignore the fact that Bush just pulled another lie out of his butt to try to duck responsibility for another screw up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/
Video suggests explosives at site after invasion
U.S. TV crew saw troops opening bunkers at Al-Qaqaa base
WASHINGTON - Videotape shot by a Minnesota television crew traveling with U.S. troops in Iraq when they first opened the bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa munitions base nine days after the fall of Saddam Hussein shows what appeared to be high explosives still in barrels and bearing the markings of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
The video taken by KSTP of St. Paul on April 18, 2003, could reinforce suggestions that tons of explosives missing from a munitions installation in Iraq were looted after the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. The video was broadcast nationally Thursday on ABC.
“The photographs are consistent with what I know of Al-Qaqaa,” David A. Kay, a former American official who directed the hunt in Iraq for unconventional weapons and visited the site, told The New York Times. “The damning thing is the seals. The Iraqis didn’t use seals on anything. So I’m absolutely sure that’s an IAEA seal.”
Bush admin claims the reason the explosives disapperead is because Saddam would have moved them before the invasion. I'm thinking he wishes he hadn't said that now. But no worries: keep calling Kerry a moron because he made statements based on the report of the IAEA (that the explosives were there after the invasion) as well as this video evidence. And ignore the fact that Bush just pulled another lie out of his butt to try to duck responsibility for another screw up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/
Video suggests explosives at site after invasion
U.S. TV crew saw troops opening bunkers at Al-Qaqaa base
WASHINGTON - Videotape shot by a Minnesota television crew traveling with U.S. troops in Iraq when they first opened the bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa munitions base nine days after the fall of Saddam Hussein shows what appeared to be high explosives still in barrels and bearing the markings of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
The video taken by KSTP of St. Paul on April 18, 2003, could reinforce suggestions that tons of explosives missing from a munitions installation in Iraq were looted after the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. The video was broadcast nationally Thursday on ABC.
“The photographs are consistent with what I know of Al-Qaqaa,” David A. Kay, a former American official who directed the hunt in Iraq for unconventional weapons and visited the site, told The New York Times. “The damning thing is the seals. The Iraqis didn’t use seals on anything. So I’m absolutely sure that’s an IAEA seal.”
TheBluesMan
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Merged threads on the same topic.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Bounty-
Lemme get this straight:
Info that comes from the Pentagon is not to be trusted because it's just Bush covering his butt.
However, info from KSTP in St. Louis is certainly actionable in terms of drawing conclusions?
Fox news is an arm of the Republican Party.
And CNN/CBS/The New Yakk Times....are what, exactly?
Whatever floats yer boat, I guess. Wonder if CBS or the NYT have any additional "investigative reporting" nuggets to lay on us? If not, I'm sure we can depend on the UN for something "juicy"....they've served the Truth so well 'till now.
Fact is, this story had no legs from day one. It still doesn't...except to the already converted.
Rich
ps: Did I mention that John Kerry's a moron? I should mention that.
Lemme get this straight:
Info that comes from the Pentagon is not to be trusted because it's just Bush covering his butt.
However, info from KSTP in St. Louis is certainly actionable in terms of drawing conclusions?
Fox news is an arm of the Republican Party.
And CNN/CBS/The New Yakk Times....are what, exactly?
Whatever floats yer boat, I guess. Wonder if CBS or the NYT have any additional "investigative reporting" nuggets to lay on us? If not, I'm sure we can depend on the UN for something "juicy"....they've served the Truth so well 'till now.
Fact is, this story had no legs from day one. It still doesn't...except to the already converted.
Rich
ps: Did I mention that John Kerry's a moron? I should mention that.
From where I sit, they can save the trouble and stop the investigation now. Kerry's made it quite clear that he knows exactly where the materiel is.
Creative writing?
It just strikes me odd that Bushniks are jumping on Kerry for the fact he took the IAEA data which has been proven accurate by video (the stuff was definitely there after the fall of Baghdad) and used it politically. Bush has been beating him over the head with stuff that is over 30 years old.
The bottom line is the Bush admin did not even own up and admit "We have no clue what happened to the stuff." Rather, they immediately started trying to claim Saddam must have smuggled it out before the war. Same song they have tried to sing about the vanishing WMD's. But none of he Bushniks see any problem with Bush making it up as he goes along... they are trying to claim victory because some soldier has come forward and claimed he hauled some of the stuff out, but he doesn't know exactly what or how much.
So what? The point is Kerry went with information that was actually true (the stuff WAS there) in the absence of the new "excuse story" which doesn't even explain where most of it went. I just don't see how Bushniks are claiming "Kerry Stepped in it Again".
All I can say is, we'd all be stepping in a lot less of it if the Bush admin would quit shoveling so much of it!
No, what I said was that kerry was repeating information from the IAEA who said they had evidence that the explosives disappeared after the invasion. Contrary to what the Bush admin claims, by common sense, morality, and also international law, anything that happens in a counqured country IS the responsibility of the occupation force. So, Kerry criticized Bush for the fact his forces didn't keep an eye on something as dangerous as 380 tons of HE.
It just strikes me odd that Bushniks are jumping on Kerry for the fact he took the IAEA data which has been proven accurate by video (the stuff was definitely there after the fall of Baghdad) and used it politically. Bush has been beating him over the head with stuff that is over 30 years old.
The bottom line is the Bush admin did not even own up and admit "We have no clue what happened to the stuff." Rather, they immediately started trying to claim Saddam must have smuggled it out before the war. Same song they have tried to sing about the vanishing WMD's. But none of he Bushniks see any problem with Bush making it up as he goes along... they are trying to claim victory because some soldier has come forward and claimed he hauled some of the stuff out, but he doesn't know exactly what or how much.
So what? The point is Kerry went with information that was actually true (the stuff WAS there) in the absence of the new "excuse story" which doesn't even explain where most of it went. I just don't see how Bushniks are claiming "Kerry Stepped in it Again".
All I can say is, we'd all be stepping in a lot less of it if the Bush admin would quit shoveling so much of it!
But, but, but, but......Bush lied when he repeated information from the CIA and England's intelligence service in a State of the Union speech that later turned out to be not 100% accurate! So it doesn't matter where the information came from, Kerry is lying to the American public in order to descredit the president.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Was that before or after ElBaradei started spending his loot from Oil for Food?
Check your facts there big feller. First off, as to "Bushniks", I'm a libertarian....though this load of horse puckey may just swing me to vote Bush from outrage at having a bunch of international gangsters and Euro-trash attempt to influence MY election. ("That's right, 'tis mine!")
Secondly, may I ask your "Proof"? Or is that implicit in the fact that one East BumHaven Affiliate aired footage that they admit may have been from this compound after the war started?
Spoken like a "true believer". Keep diggin', Bounty. I think you're almost down to the required 6 feet.
Destructo6
New member
No, he went with whatever he thought he could damage Bush. Truth, just like with the forged documents, has nothing to do with the situation.
Kerry continued to shout it from the rooftops even after most news sources were airing their doubts...in fact he still does.
Nothing new...Kerry Edwards policy is to repeat the same lies over and over again...at least until they come up with a new one.
The President, along with the more rational news agancies have maintained all along that nobody knew all the facts.....we still don't know them all.
There was plenty of reason to doubt the IAEA story before Kerry decided to use it.
But we do know
1. That there were some explosives there...once upon a time
2. There are less explosives there now
3. The seals were all the IAEA checked the last couple times
4. The Iraquis were quite capable of bypassing the seals
5. A lot of weapons were moved to Syria....
6. The IAEA tried to help Kerry and cover their butts all at the same time
There is no PROOF that the weapons were lost on our watch. We are starting to see proof that we removed them.
Nothing new...Kerry Edwards policy is to repeat the same lies over and over again...at least until they come up with a new one.
The President, along with the more rational news agancies have maintained all along that nobody knew all the facts.....we still don't know them all.
There was plenty of reason to doubt the IAEA story before Kerry decided to use it.
But we do know
1. That there were some explosives there...once upon a time
2. There are less explosives there now
3. The seals were all the IAEA checked the last couple times
4. The Iraquis were quite capable of bypassing the seals
5. A lot of weapons were moved to Syria....
6. The IAEA tried to help Kerry and cover their butts all at the same time
There is no PROOF that the weapons were lost on our watch. We are starting to see proof that we removed them.
Geoff Timm
New member
In the end, it comes down to this:
John Kerry's positon: "I know everything and I am always right."
Funny that's the same position Sadam Hussein took.
What really, really, REALLY frightens me, more than one person will vote for John Kerry.
Geoff
Who will not.
John Kerry's positon: "I know everything and I am always right."
Funny that's the same position Sadam Hussein took.
What really, really, REALLY frightens me, more than one person will vote for John Kerry.
Geoff
Who will not.
Like I said....
You may want to postpone the victory dance until you find out if there is anything there.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/29/iraq.explosives.ap/index.html
WASHINGTON (AP) -- An Army unit removed 250 tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot in April 2003 and later destroyed it, the company's former commander said Friday. A Pentagon spokesman said some was of the same type as the missing explosives that have become a major issue in the presidential campaign.
But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency -- as the missing high-grade explosives had been -- and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.
For those who may have missed it:
But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency -- as the missing high-grade explosives had been -- and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.
The video showed that the HE in question bore the IAEA seal. The soldier who hauled away the "explosives" said the ones he took didn't have them.
OOOPS!
You may want to postpone the victory dance until you find out if there is anything there.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/29/iraq.explosives.ap/index.html
WASHINGTON (AP) -- An Army unit removed 250 tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot in April 2003 and later destroyed it, the company's former commander said Friday. A Pentagon spokesman said some was of the same type as the missing explosives that have become a major issue in the presidential campaign.
But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency -- as the missing high-grade explosives had been -- and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.
For those who may have missed it:
But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency -- as the missing high-grade explosives had been -- and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.
The video showed that the HE in question bore the IAEA seal. The soldier who hauled away the "explosives" said the ones he took didn't have them.
OOOPS!
Typed that without laughing?
Seriously? Then was it Kerry who said I am going to war, don't confuse me with the facts? I tell you the nukes are there, I have secret proof. Saddam's behind Al Qaeda, we have more secret proof. "We must act now, there is no time!" (direct quote) because of the IMMINENT threat Saddam posed to the US.
Yeah, it's definitely KERRY who has the track record of being an arrogant belligerent know-it-all who won't listen to anybody else's opinion.
PHP:
John Kerry's positon: "I know everything and I am always right."Seriously? Then was it Kerry who said I am going to war, don't confuse me with the facts? I tell you the nukes are there, I have secret proof. Saddam's behind Al Qaeda, we have more secret proof. "We must act now, there is no time!" (direct quote) because of the IMMINENT threat Saddam posed to the US.
Yeah, it's definitely KERRY who has the track record of being an arrogant belligerent know-it-all who won't listen to anybody else's opinion.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Thank you for the object lesson in Liberal Double Standard.
You may now stop digging. Desired depth reached as determined by the echo down there.
No legs, Bounty.
Rich
I notice you tactfully ran away from the theme of this thread which was how the press conference was going to disclose info making Kerry look like an idiot. All it actually did was re-enforce the charges that the stuff was there and now it ain't... and the Bush admin doesn't know where it is.
Keep tap dancing.
Keep tap dancing.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Can't dance and tact has never been my forte.
The point of the opening post is obvious:
There are very REAL doubts as to the story, leaked by the UN to the NYT and CBS, and seized on by John Kerry for the better part of a week (while even his own campaign staff was backing away).
You seem to be the only one in this discussion with knowledge of the "real" facts, Bounty. Me, I'm doing my best to keep up with the instantaneous shifts from True Believer to Agnostic to Critic depending on whether the latest sound bite fits with your paradigm of world reality. It's really quite dizzying at times.
I understand you don't need to be even handed, fair or even logical. At least not after the Kerry People announced that it doesn't matter what happened. The story is good enough...it's a "metaphor" for the Bush Admin. Kind of a circular argument, ya know?
Rich
The point of the opening post is obvious:
There are very REAL doubts as to the story, leaked by the UN to the NYT and CBS, and seized on by John Kerry for the better part of a week (while even his own campaign staff was backing away).
You seem to be the only one in this discussion with knowledge of the "real" facts, Bounty. Me, I'm doing my best to keep up with the instantaneous shifts from True Believer to Agnostic to Critic depending on whether the latest sound bite fits with your paradigm of world reality. It's really quite dizzying at times.
I understand you don't need to be even handed, fair or even logical. At least not after the Kerry People announced that it doesn't matter what happened. The story is good enough...it's a "metaphor" for the Bush Admin. Kind of a circular argument, ya know?
Rich
Mike in VA
New member
The whole thing has been way stupid from the start - Nevermind that the whole dang country is just one big freakin' ammo dump. I doubt that if we put 5X the troops on the ground we could cover all the ordnance laying around loose over there.
Oh, yeah, it doesn't take a Pentagon news conference to make Kerry look like an idiot, he does that every other time he opens his mouth - I hope he gets a humongous case of the flu and a hurricane blows him away, cause that's Bush's fault, too, right? :barf:
Oh, yeah, it doesn't take a Pentagon news conference to make Kerry look like an idiot, he does that every other time he opens his mouth - I hope he gets a humongous case of the flu and a hurricane blows him away, cause that's Bush's fault, too, right? :barf:
The Kerry campaign has won the grand prize for Monday Morning Quarterbacking. Just like he told Diane Sawyer in response to the question, "Was the Iraq war worth it?" He replied, "Depends on how it turns out." WTF?? (I personally SAW that tape). Rest assured, folks, if President Bush walked on water, the Kerry campaign would be bleating, "See, we told you Bush couldn't swim!"
Goodness gracious! How on Earth can anyone think that John Kerry EVER states the truth about anything? He is the most concensus driven milk-sop of a politician I have ever seen. The fact is Kerry is flat out stating that he KNOWS GWB made a horrible error by not accounting for the explosives and yet there are dozens of reports stating that we just are not quite sure what happened to them at this time.
Can you not just admit that PERHAPS, Kerry has once again thrown **** against the President to see if it will stick? That after all is basically the platform that he is running on.
C'mon, we won't think less of you if you back down. Nothing wrong with admitting that you are letting your dislike for GWB cloud your judgement. I will personally applaud you for a moment of clarity.
CANIS
Can you not just admit that PERHAPS, Kerry has once again thrown **** against the President to see if it will stick? That after all is basically the platform that he is running on.
C'mon, we won't think less of you if you back down. Nothing wrong with admitting that you are letting your dislike for GWB cloud your judgement. I will personally applaud you for a moment of clarity.
CANIS