Kel-Tec new shotgun coming?

by that reasoning the glock is based off the 1911 because it's recoil operated with a tilting barrel. there is a difference between copying a design and refining it and coming up with something then borrowing features from others that have gone before. now it may be that they copied the design but there is enough of a difference that until someone at KT comes out and says that they did so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Where did I use the word copy?

Yes, it's based on the Neostead. It is not a copy of the Neostead, obviously.
 
Oh, no! Now in every What should I buy for the wife/gf thread - someone will mention this! Sorry Pax!

Looks like it could be fun - if it runs.
 
Where did I use the word copy?

Yes, it's based on the Neostead. It is not a copy of the Neostead, obviously.

you didn't but others on other boards have been. I'm just trying to point out that we don't know that they didn't start with a clean slate. did they say "lets build a shotgun. it might be neat if it was a bulpup" or was it "that neostead is neat lets do something like that."? for all we know they had the idea to make a bulpup shotgun with dual feed tubes without ever studying the neostead.
 
you didn't but others on other boards have been. I'm just trying to point out that we don't know that they didn't start with a clean slate. did they say "lets build a shotgun. it might be neat if it was a bulpup" or was it "that neostead is neat lets do something like that."? for all we know they had the idea to make a bulpup shotgun with dual feed tubes without ever studying the neostead.

Bit of a reach there, don't ya think?

You're saying they in no way looked at the Neostad, decided on some changes and produced this? Really???.......:rolleyes:

Just how many bullpup, twin mag shotguns that look like the Neostad are there in the world today?

And so what if they did.........their marketing folks have obviously felt there will be a demand for these, and since the original is not available, by making the changes they did, they avoid any copyright/patent lawsuits and will produce something the market will demand...........good for them
 
the actual pistolgrip frame on it is from the Sub-2k lineup they have, so it looks like they are just frankensteining this thing together from several different guns.


I like it!
 
You're saying they in no way looked at the Neostad, decided on some changes and produced this? Really???.......

no, I'm saying we don't know what their train of thought was. for all I know they started with a neostead and came up with this. or maybe nobody at KT has ever heard of a neostead. could be either one. somebody at some point had to come up with the original idea for others to base off of so who's to say people don't still do that to some extent?
 
Gosh, everybody copies Keltec, and no one thinks anything of it.
What would be wrong with Keltec taking a basic idea and improving on it?
 
So you're putting other peoples words from other forums into my mouth and arguing with me over them? Have fun with that.....

I have not once tried to do that. I have only been trying to support my original point, which was in response to someone else' post in the first place. and really if you go back and look again the worst thing I did was misuse "copying" when I should have said "basing on". I suppose the two aren't technically interchangeable.
 
That's a neat looking shotgun. I wonder how much it is going to cost.

I also wonder about availability once it hits production.

I think a more accurate statement is that it's based on the RFB and inspired by the Neostead. Stating that it is based on the Neostead implies more of a connection than there really is. About all they have in common is the same basic concept and external appearance.
 
I'm with your armoredman.

and i wish the two ranting fools would take their arguement into PM's or emails and off this thread.

great looking shotty and on the short list for me.

I have owned several keltecs in teh past and wouldnt heistate to buy this shotty just for teh gee-whiz factor.
 
A friend and I have been talking about these.

We're thinking we're going to wait until there's at least some track record of how they work, but I am VERY interested in possibly picking one up.

+1 for that. I was going to do the same with the PMR-30 but they've been so hard to find around here I'm being forced anyway...
 
and i wish the two ranting fools would take their arguement into PM's or emails and off this thread.

;)

Given that the muzzle and chamber are much closer to the shooter I would wager that muzzle jump on this shotgun will be markedly less than a comparable weight 18" traditional pump. Unless I've got the physics bassackward in my head. Which has happened before.......

What's the unloaded weight? anyone know?

Fully loaded it gains almost a pound :eek:
 
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That thing has dual magazines, side by side. You flip a switch to determine which mag (left or right) is feeding the chamber. It holds 14+1 total.

That blows me away. Why didn't I ever think of that??? :o
 
Gosh, everybody copies Keltec, and no one thinks anything of it.
What would be wrong with Keltec taking a basic idea and improving on it?

Nothing at all Bill. Just like there's nothing wrong when someone takes a Keltec product and improves upon it.

I'm glad they fixed the bassackward pump stroke of the South African design. That seems like one of those things that could get someone killed due to reverting to muscle memory when prior training with a traditional pump kicks in.
 
"That thing has dual magazines, side by side. You flip a switch to determine which mag (left or right) is feeding the chamber. It holds 14+1 total."


My friend and I were talking about that particular feature, how you can load two different types of loads, say slugs and buckshot....

In fact, it's so neat that I've come up with a new game that you can play with home invaders...

It's called "Guess what's coming your way next".
 
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