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Not sure if it's used here, but shots like that are achievable in a perfectly safe manner using a photo timer. Even the camera wouldn't be in danger in this shot, just the tripod.

I appreciate the need for safety, but I've known several people who used timers to do the "gun pointed at the camera" picture
 
Guns should never be pointed at anything but objects which you intend to shoot or a safe direction when loading/carrying/cleaning/etc!

Period, end of discussion. Anything said to the contrary is either pure ignorance of gun safety practices or a willing disregard for safety! Neither of which is excusable if you own a firearm.
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It's this kind of robotic inflexibility of thought that gives us zero tolerance policies that gets kids expelled from school because they had a Tylenol in their coat pocket.

So, what, I can't carry my pistol? After all, my holster carries it at a forward cant, which means I'm sweeping the ankles of everyone behind me in line at the supermarket. Is my holstered, uncocked and untouched pistol going to cock itself and start firing?

Being safety conscious is essential, but there have to be reasonable limits to how we express the precautions. To carry the rules to so far an extreme that you actually never allow the gun to point at something you don't wish to destroy is literally impossible. I don't wish to destroy my floor, but that's exactly where I point it when I am holstering, unholstering, loading or unloading it. By your logic, the only safe handling of a firearm is to never handle it.

The manner by which you explain the rules of safety and their implications gives the impression of a well memorized mantra without a deeper understanding of the mechanics of the process. The rules of safety are extremely useful guides. However, in the real world, you will find that ofttimes it can be a bit more complicated than that. There are different factors in play at a live range than there are at home. Bottom line: a loaded revolver left on a table top uncocked and untouched, is safe to photograph from any angle.
 
I see where you're coming from, and I agree to a certain extent. However it does not excuse the carelessness exhibited by some who have gone so far as to hold a loaded, chambered weapon in their hand as they take a frontal picture of the muzzle and post it on the internet for all to see... Such carelessness does not portray the type of image that we gun owners, as a collective whole, desire. When considering the possible impression given to a less experienced gun owner by these photographs, it basically screams that "Hey it doesn't matter if I point my new pistol around loaded, as long as my finger isn't on the trigger."

The actions and practices that we display through images on these threads have implications far beyond the scope of what we may intend, so shouldn't we do all we can to curb bad habits such as the unnecessary fiddling around with loaded weapons when it would only take about two seconds to down-load?

The phrasing I used was perhaps a bit harsh, and for that I apologize, but aren't we all at least in part responsible for what/how we're teaching the next generation of shooters? Whether directly (coaching at the range) or indirectly (pictures, advice, etc on these forums) our actions and our practices affect others; might we be a little more cautious of the image we're presenting?

Very Respectfully,
JG
 
There are as many ways to take a photo of a loaded weapon as there are shooters and photographers. Just because you can see bullets in the chamber (or a finger on the trigger) does not mean the photo was taken in an irresponsible manner.

I've said this before: If you are always this way about the display of safe handling measures, you must really hate watching action movies. Over the course of the last hundred years I'd guess that many tens of thousands of guns have been pointed directly at actors while film was rolling through the camera. I'm sure many of those guns were loaded with blanks — a very dangerous load at close range — but even when they aren't loaded, your ideas would make all of these scenes completely unsafe.

Isn't it enough when viewing a photograph to suspend your rationale and just enjoy the stupid picture?
 
When I post a photo like this I include a disclaimer

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Gun is Loaded
Picture taken with a timed camera on a Tripod. No one was behind the camera​
 
Some of my all time favourites

here are some
 

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My all time favourites

few more
 

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Ah yes, utter nonsense being uttered. Can any (except ) the photo taker tell me if the hammer is down on an EMPTY CHAMBER? If the hammer IS DOWN on a empty chamber is it as UNSAFE AS some have said it to be? Dave85 stated thing rather well, I thought. As for jgcoastie, me think too much time spent in the cold thought patterns somewhat frozen
 
ummm if you wish to rehash PREVIOUSLY discussed subjects, please go stand in a dark room by yourself. You join the forum a month ago and you are an expert already? Get a life- let other people ake their OWN pictures. enough lame discussion about loaded or unloaded. if a loaded gun makes you nervous move to Britain. We are all adults here. jeeeeez....now back to the show
 
You join the forum a month ago and you are an expert already?
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Yeah, and we all know that it's impossible to have any experience with any type of firearm until you're a member if TFL.

Hey, if you guys want to do it, that's fine. I'm done trying to convince people to be safe. If you're comfortable with it, fine. It's your choice.

I'm through with being ridiculed for reminding people to err on the side of caution when handling firearms.


Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
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I'm through with being ridiculed for reminding people to air on the side of caution when handling firearms.
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Just to let you know its err on the side of caution, not air on the side of caution.

I am curious as to the safe state of a firearm in a shoulder holster, usually kept horizontal so the barrel is pointing behind the person wearing the weapon. When considering the rules of safe gun handling, is this safe or not?
 
Just to let you know its err on the side of caution, not air on the side of caution.
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Thanks, corrected.


As far as the shoulder holster goes; that's why I don't use them. Tried one a couple of times and didn't like it. One of the reasons being the fact that I sweep my wife and daughter every time they're behind me or I turn around.

Forgive me for using such 'absolute' terms. I have apologized for this once, I'm doing it again for clarity's sake.

All I was trying to say is that it is not difficult, nor is it time consuming to unload your weapon before fiddling around with it to take a stupid friggin photo. Especially if the position of the weapon in that photo orients the muzzle toward you or others. We all know what ammunition of many shapes and sizes look like, there's no real need to photograph your weapon while loaded. If your ammo is so cool and amazing that it must be shown, grab three or four rounds and put them in the forefront of the picture.

All I was trying to do is remind everyone that gun safety is important and we should not forget the basics just for the sake of a damn picture.
 
My sincerest apologies if I have greatly insulted or demeaned you; this was not my intention. I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes and again, I'm sorry if I have.

Many have implied the phrase: What's the harm of this? I ask: What's the benefit of it?

The way that each one of us handles our firearms is as different as gun owners themselves. It is up to each one of us to ensure both our safety and the safety of those around us. Do so however you feel comfortable and in a safe manner.

Very Respectfully,
JG
 
Gun Pictures....

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Colt 1908 M .380 pocket auto. My medals and ribbons that I earned during a 30 year career (4 Navy, 26 Coast Guard).

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a pair of Colts; the smaller one is a .25 acp.

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Colt Series 70 MkIV .38 Super. Bought from the original owner's son who says his father never shot the gun. Upon examination it appears to have only been shot at the factory.

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Colt Series 80 MkIV Combat Elite Enhanced and a Jerry Hossom Dogtag knife.

Guns, by their nature are capable of being very dangerous - there are a lot of people killed with empty guns each year; as far as I know however that no one has ever been shot by one that just decided to fire all on its own though.

In over 45 years of gun handling and ownership I've never, ever, had a gun that shot all by its own - but when I squeeze the trigger - that's a deifferent outcome! JG I have to say that you are just being a bit over cautious. I wear both vertical and horizontal shoulder holsters, on the hip, and inside the waste band holsters; round chambered, cocked and locked 1911s; or hammer down on double action guns. If I felt that it was unsafe to the point that my loved ones were in jeopardy I wouldn't do it.

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Colt Combat Commander .45 acp (1970 vintage) and Combat Commander Lightweight .38 Super (1971)

enjoy the photos...
 
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