Kalifornia Civil Disobedience

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Kalifornians,

Okay, so at the end of the year you are required to register your guns. If you don't do it, big trouble later (maybe).

But is there any law against registering guns you don't have? :) Make some up, make sure the serial numbers are in correct format (# of digits, valid letters and sequences, etc.). And be sure to put the name and address of some local gun-grabbing politician, bureaucrat, or even the guy who collects your garbage. Any government official or known member of the MMM is fair game. Pick a neighbor you don't like. :D If all else fails, put Rosie O'Donnell on it. And don't forget to mention the three .50 BMG rifles she owns. :cool:

The resulting paperwork chaos could take years to unravel. :confused:

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I've said this on another post. Register all Kalifornification guns to Diane Feinstine! Someone post her home address!
 
That would be a bit obvious, and not very effective beyond filling up a trash can or two. But if their database gets a million bad records in it, by the time they figure it out they will have arrested half the government for not turning in their previously registered weapons. They will have also pissed off a lot of your neighbors with 2 am no-knock weapon confiscations. Part of any civil resistance effort is to stimulate anger at the government.

[This message has been edited by galt (edited September 26, 2000).]
 
Make sure you wait to mail them until Jan 2, 2001. Especially if you are registering the assault weapons of noted Anti's.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by galt:
That would be a bit obvious, and not very effective beyond filling up a trash can or two. But if their database gets a million bad records in it, by the time they figure it out they will have arrested half the government for not turning in their previously registered weapons. They will have also pissed off a lot of your neighbors with 2 am no-knock weapon confiscations. Part of any civil resistance effort is to stimulate anger at the government.

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Exactly. Grab fistfuls of registration forms. Register non-existing guns (with plausible details) to real gungrabbers. Register the _same_ existing gun to lots of people all over the state. Register guns in the name of minors. Register guns to the recently deceased.

Overload the system with bogus information, make the registry so error-filled that it becomes useless to them.
 
Interesting idea. Sort of a take-off on that old Chicago political strategy ... vote early, and vote often, eh? ;)

American ingenuity at its finest! :)

They'll probably end up making this a felony ....

Regards from AZ
 
Whether it be now or later we will all be felons and outlaws.
You think the state or FAcist legislatures plan to stop outlawing things anytime soon.
Hell no.
Oh and theirs no need to make up fake guns.
Go to your pawn shop or any gun stores you do have.
Pretend to look over the guns and write down the serial numbers.
And as mentioned you dont want to do obvious things like using the police station as an address use ones their have to look up pick some out of the phone book from low and middle class neighborhoods pick a gangster or drug dealers house if youve actually seen any.
But 2 or 3 people doing this wont have the desired affect someone in CA. with balls needs to print this out into about a half page format and spend an after noon driving around to different stores.
Stuff a sheet into a gun mag here and their to cheaply spread the idea do so at any gunshows you still have their with anyone you hear fed up with the idea.
You can use your own social as a base to write varied ones so it looks real enough they have to check.

Im really saddened though to see how many
'good little nazi's' their are among us
how many that dare call themselves americans and are prepared to go quietly into the night.
www.ccops.org www.gunowners.org www.jpfo.org

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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ruger45:
Whether it be now or later we will all be felons and outlaws.[/quote]

Sad but true. What do I care if I become a felon anyway? Once I'm a felon, and have lost the LEGAL RKBA's, then I have lost such a huge part of my life, that I WILL become a nightmare to those who gave us these gestapo inspired laws. Earlier this year I was ordered jailed (sentence suspended thank-God) for doing what I thought was the correct thing. I even followed the advice of my attorney to the T so I wouldn't get into trouble. Turns out, an ignorant Judge who required a waiver just to run for office didn't know her law (she required a waiver because she has only practiced law for a few years, and that was over ten years prior to running for judge), and was upset that I don't let my ex-wife run all over me. She had made false claims to the AG's office that I hadn't paid my CS. I had, but in court the judge said I couldn't admit the COURT GENERATED PAYMENT RECORD as a defense because I got it that morning, and the opposing counsel hadn't been given it to examine pre-trial. What? Huh? So I can be jailed because of a technicality that hasn't anything to do with the reason I'm in court?
Point of all this is, that I'm just waiting as we all are for the shoe to drop. At any moment, I could become a paperwork felon, or at least be stripped of my freedom because of something I had no control over. We should all be very careful. Bad things happen when the government gets involved. When that shoe does drop, watch out!
I don't know about Kali, but in Texas, if you were to knowingly file false documents, it would indeed be a felony.
"Execution of Document by means of Deception."
I'm all for civil disobedience, just be VERY, VERY careful.
 
Is there any law against registering guns you don't have? Lemme put it this way; You have to SIGN these forms, don't you? If so, yes, it probably IS a crime to register a fake gun. Heck, it's probably a crime to get a punctuation mark wrong!

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Unless it states on the form that is is illegal to falsify the report I would think that it is not illegal. I really want to see one of these forms!!!!

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Dead [Black Ops]
 
Two realities:

1. In order to fight bad laws, you sometimes have to break some other law (or even the one you are fighting).

2. I assume if you send in a registration statement for your neighbor, you will NOT sign your name to it. Duh.

This is called civil disobedience. I bet the form says you must register all your guns. It probably does not say anything about extras. :)



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Two Words:

Mail Fraud.

It's a felony IIRC.



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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
Four words, "shall not be infringed"

Any infringement is against THE law.

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
Martin Luther King Jr. broke a BUNCH of laws. Was he morally justified in doing so? You bet. Did TPTB hate and despise him for it? You bet. What saved him? The sheer numbers of his followers.

Keep that in mind...

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H.L. Mencken
 
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land. Wm. Kingdon Clifford

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams

A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away. Barry Goldwater

A lady named Nancy that frequents www.gunsnet.net likes to close with these I thought they were fitting.
Our most basic and valued civil rights are being written like an old road with too many potholes and were worried about screwing up on some paperwork because the same men dropping tirds on the constitution say that its important for us to properly fill out this paper work so that we successfully betray ourselves and make our exercise of our constitutional rights something they can keep track of when they feel they have enough
'implied' support to overwrite them.

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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
Does anybody know how well the registration is actually going? I remember reading recently (sorry, can't remember where) that only a few thousand AR's have been registered so far, out of several hundreds of thousands estimated to be out there.
Canada's experience has been less than impressive so far with their own similar program. The expense of operating their program has far exceeded original estimates and they haven't even gotten into the enforcement costs yet!
 
Here's how the Canadians are doing it. Also, if you send in registration but aren't in this state (CA), then I doubt you've got much to worry about. As for the thumb print, someone mentioned using a dog's paw pad - just one of them.

Anyway, the Canadians seem to have this figured out.

From Neal Knox:
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A former Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer is helping lead
the charge against Canada's gun registration bill. Bruce Hutton of
Alberta is president of the Law-abiding Unregistered Firearms
Association, which advocates civil disobedience.

But instead of simply refusing to comply with the law and
telling the government to come get his guns, as former Edmondton
Police Commissioner Julian Kinisky has told local newspapers, Hutton
is telling gunowners how to screw up the system.

In a Nova Scotia speech last week Hutton suggested filling out
the registration forms, buying a money order, making copies, and
getting a receipt for a Priority Post, then trashing everything
that's supposed to go to the government.

If and when officials get around to asking why a gun isn't registered,
produce the documents, he says, and accuse the bureaucrats of
losing the application through incompetence.

Considering the already rampant screwups in the far-overbudget
and far-behind registration system that story might fly. Less than half of
Canada's gunowners have thus far entered their guns.

Hutton pointed out that while the overwhelming majority of gun
owners are law-abiding citizens who represent no threat to anyone,
the criminals will pay no attention to the law. "Registration is
not the issue; confiscation is."

While "hot burglaries" -- burglaries and robberies of occupied
homes -- consist of over half the burglaries in Canada and England,
they're rare in the gun-owning U.S., he said.

As if to make his point, one Colorado man shot and killed one
of three home invaders last week while another, who came home and
found a burglary in progress, killed one of his burglars. That
kind of deterrent effect explains why the percentage of "hot
burglaries is several times as high in the "gun-free" U.S.
northeastern states as in gun-owning states in the west.



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Please don't mis-understand me. I mentioned "Mail Fraud" earlier, not because i'm against breaking laws in a show of civil disobediance. Only to post the point that you would be explicitly breaking atleast one law if you choose to send in registration forms of non-existant guns/people.

I'm all for making it as difficult (and painfull) as possible for the gun-grabbers.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madison46:
In a Nova Scotia speech last week Hutton suggested filling out
the registration forms, buying a money order, making copies, and
getting a receipt for a Priority Post, then trashing everything
that's supposed to go to the government.

If and when officials get around to asking why a gun isn't registered,
produce the documents, he says, and accuse the bureaucrats of
losing the application through incompetence.
[/quote]

No that is a great idea!

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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998

[This message has been edited by USP45 (edited September 27, 2000).]
 
A small note on the timing for sending in these helpful forms.
If you have the cahoona's to do it.
Dont send them in ahead of time they might have time to sort them out ,send them in at the earliest two months ahead of time or better yet one and tell all of your friends the same.
Who know is the system costs the tax payers enough the non-gunowners might get annoyed.
And.. legitimate address's and names might be helpful in telling the groups of proud (murdersous psychopathic,gestapo) swat teams where to go and what to expect.

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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
Anyone know how to mess with OCR readers? I am pretty sure the DOJ is probably going to be using those to speed up the entry process of the registration forms into the database. Now if you used something it couldn't read (red ink?) they would have to go through all of those by hand...
 
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