Kahr MK9 vs. Sig P232 vs. Walther PPK ?

Sarge55;

The width is 1.08. Again, for CCW, I urge you to consider a 9mm. Don't take my word for it, pick up the Shooting Times June 2000 issue and read the article by Dick Metcalf, 9mm vs. .380 for pocket self-defense. As Jan Libourel would say; "One is faced with three alternatives. You can go unarmed. You can build you life around going armed-with a special wardrobe etc., or you can sometimes carry a mini-pistol that can be carried in a good pocket holster as unobtrusivey as a wallet." I carried the SIG P230SL for 2 years. It is one of the most refined and accurate .380's on the market, but is also one of the largest. Trust me, it is not a pocket gun. Now were talking IWB holster, the way I carried it. And if your going IWB, get a .45 Glock 30, etc.

Yes, the Kahr MK9 has it's drawbacks. It's on the heavy side and has a short grip. But it's also chambered for the 9x19. I have done a ton of research on this topic and I have concluded that anyting short of a 9mm, you should be using ball ammo, due to lack of penetration (min. of 12 inches.)

The Walther is a fine gun, way ahead of it's time, designed in the 1930's.

On and on......just what ever you decide, shot placement is the key. Even BB guns kill. So pratice as much as possible.

At least we still have choices! Something not to be taken lightly these days.

Best Regards,
Hann
 
Thanks Hann...

I must agree, the .380 gives somewhat dismal performance, but then again, so does the .38 Special that many of us have (or are) carrying. My primary off-duty concealed carry gun is a Glock 30, but there have been many times when carrying this gun isn't very practical or comfortable to carry. I own many handguns of many calibers, and they all have their own little niche in my personal armory.

My hidden intent of this post wasn't really meant as a comparison of calibers as much as it is a comparison of highly concealable and comfortable guns, and in my mind, a .380 is the smallest I will personally go with a defensive caliber. Sometimes we must make sacrifices.

Practicing is most definitely the key to good shooting skills. Putting the bullet (any caliber) where you want it is of paramount importance in any defensive shooting situation. Caliber comes second.

Blah, blah, blah...

Many thanks for all the great feedback!




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DAH BIG DAWG'S ON DUTY
 
Sarge55;

The .380ACP is a marginal caliber but will take care of business with properly placed shots, then again, so will a .22 With the .380 don't even bother with JHP's, not enough penetration out of a mouse gun. Anticipate about a 50% one-shot stop with .380ACP ball caliber with one torso shot out of a 3.2 inch barrel. In a real life high-stress gunfight, there will be about 2-4 shots and it will be all over. You will have won or lost. With the 9mm figure one-shot-stop of approx. 80+%, from a 3 inch barrel using high performance JHP's.

The Walther .380 is a good choice for small-concealed weapon if you can find one that is dependable. I have read these forums for almost a year now. Many will say they have no problems with the Walther, many say they do. IMO, from an American manufacturing perspective, inferior manufacturing and Quality Control is to blame. My brother has a German Made Walther PP in .22 cal. Post war, with the nitro eagles and all. The American made versions are not even close in quality to the German Made guns.

I really like the Walther looks, and in spite of inferior Quality Control processes, I just don't understand what state the company is in. They pulled Interarms as their distributor, have S&W doing done joint marketing and manufacturing venture with the Walther P99 and have formed Walther USA. I have left messages with Walther USA to get a catalog of their products, no response. I have not yet seen the Walther USA stamp yet on a gun, only leftover Interarms, so I can comment on their quality. They have also stopped production on the TPH and parts are no longer available. The company just doesn't seem to be in a very stable state right now.

I have a .22 Beretta Cheetah that fits specific applications when I legally can't carry a 9mm and a Kahr MK9 as a primary for CCW. Different guns and calibers fit the roles for different applications and lifestyles.

People say there are two sure things in life, death and taxes. I say there are three: death, taxes and history repeats itself time and time again. We are entering into a very dangerous time in our nations history. When a government, any government systematically disarms the citizens, it has always turned out very, very bad for the people. And since 1939, that's exactly what has happened.

Best Regards,
Hann
 
well... Since my original post, I went out on the limb and purchased both a PPK/S .380 and a Kahr MK9. Both are great guns! I've got about 300 rounds through each of them (various configurations and weights), and they've both been 100 % reliable. Both shoot POA and eat everything! To say I'm pleased is an understatement. Many, many thanks for all the great feedback!

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DAH BIG DAWG'S ON DUTY
 
A testimonial for Walther PPK series with 300 rounds through it without a jam? Gee, you better not spread that around, people here at TFL will start to flame you as an embellisher, a ner-do-well, and a known liar ;-)

Congrats on two great guns; I think I'm gonna take another look at that K9.

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