kahr cm45 problems

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Polglock

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I bought a nib kahr cm45 and it fails to eject a live round. Such as when unloading after carrying. Customer service told me I'm not racking the slide hard enough, mind you I'm 6'1" and 215 workout and I'm 30 years old. They then told me it's probably not a warranty issue and if I paid to ship it to them they would take a look at it. Not too good of customer service if you ask me. I've grown up shooting and dealing with firearms and to be told that the gun is malfunctioning due to me is kind of Insulting. So the gun is basically unloadable and is kept hot unless you really work to get the round out. So they made a gun that comes with a 5 year warranty and that gun is not able to be unloaded due to there manufacturing of this gun and I have to pay to ship it to them. Doesn't really make sense to me but I'm just one their idiot customers. It's my forth kahr mind you but my first polymer model. I don't know what to do from here and was just looking for advice.
 
Probably be better to take it to a gunsmith, since you would have to pay shipping cost. Plus they don't seem like they are willing to fix it.
 
Failure to eject a live round is usually due to an overlength cartridge or a bullet ogive different from the normal. Either will cause the round to stick in the ejection port or fall back into the action.

If that is not the case, extractor tension is probably the cause; low tension will hold an empty case, but a loaded round will fall out of the extractor's grip and drop onto the magazine follower if an empty magazine is installed or down through the magazine well if there is no magazine in the gun.

Jim
 
You dropping the mag? Also, why are you unloading the gun after carrying? Lock it up. Guns don't magically go off on their own.

I'd be more concerned about eventual bullet setback.

Kahr customer service gets tired of people calling in with "issues", when it's user error the majority of the time.
 
Unloading the gun after carrying was just an example. Say it has a ftf, clearing it could take a few minutes because I can't just rack the slide to eject a live round. And it's done this with 5 different brands of ammo. Hp and fmj.
 
You have to be quick with it. My K9 has a very strong recoil spring and if I don't pull that slide back hard and fast, it'll jam like you describe.

How is ejection when firing?

On a side note, the larger caliber Kahrs tend to be more problematic than the original K9. I really feel Kahr engineers didn't adjust the design properly for the fatter shapes. That's just me though.
 
If you bought a tiny sports car would you complain that's it's hard to get in/out of?
If you buy a 4 door dually long bed do you complain it's hard to park?
You bought a 45 ACP with a very short barrel and a very short recoil system, you gave up the extra slide travel available when you have even a 3.5" barrel.
That's just the kind of stuff you're going to live with having a short 45.
Now you might be able to take enough off the ejector to allow a live round enough room to eject but then it may not run.;)
 
If you bought a tiny sports car would you complain that's it's hard to get in/out of?
If you buy a 4 door dually long bed do you complain it's hard to park?
You bought a 45 ACP with a very short barrel and a very short recoil system, you gave up the extra slide travel available when you have even a 3.5" barrel.
That's just the kind of stuff you're going to live with having a short 45.
Now you might be able to take enough off the ejector to allow a live round enough room to eject but then it may not run.
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Being hard to get out of and hard to park isn't to me a valid comparison to what is happening. Clearing a live round, or more correctly a casing with the bullet still in, is an important aspect to the function of a firearm. If you get a hard primer or a light strike you're going to need to clear that round. If you can't do it reliably you might be out of the fight and frankly dead. That's a bit more serious than a mild inconvenience.
 
Being hard to get out of and hard to park isn't to me a valid comparison to what is happening.
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What if you're having an allergic reaction and need to get out and get your epipen?
Frankly it may be a longshot but so is a hard primer or light strike in a gun thats been properly tested;).
I mean you did shoot a few hundred rounds out of it didn't you making sure at least a box was Fiocchi to see how it deals with hard primers.
 
What if you're having an allergic reaction and need to get out and get your epipen?
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Now you're adding conditions to your original statement just to play devil's advocate. I don't know I would need to get out to use an epipen though, could just use it in the car. "But what if the car is on fire?" Yea I know we can do this all day.

Frankly it may be a longshot but so is a hard primer or light strike in a gun thats been properly tested
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Such a longshot that I can't think of a single trainer or academy that doesn't teach the tap, rack, bang procedure. Crap happens. I still hold to my original point that it is a bit more serious than what you were making out to be an inconvenience, at least originally.
 
Such a longshot that I can't think of a single trainer or academy that doesn't teach the tap, rack, bang procedure. Crap happens. I still hold to my original point that it is a bit more serious than what you were making out to be an inconvenience, at least originally.
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There's also quite a few that won't recommend 3" 45s and it's not that I think it's more or less of an inconvenience but that it's a trait that 3" 45 have limited slide travel which makes these kinds of issues the norm.
 
There's also quite a few that won't recommend 3" 45s and it's not that I think it's more or less of an inconvenience but that it's a trait that 3" 45 have limited slide travel which makes these kinds of issues the norm.
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I wouldn't use a 3" 45 either, but nothing about that means that the ejection port can't accommodate ejecting a full cartridge.
 
I wouldn't use a 3" 45 either, but nothing about that means that the ejection port can't accommodate ejecting a full cartridge.
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Sure but like I said earlier
Now you might be able to take enough off the ejector to allow a live round enough room to eject but then it may not run.
So which is more important to you now the rare chance that you'll need to rack out a live round or the very likely scenario where you need to fire a second round quickly?
 
I have experience with one that was difficult to extract a live round, turns out the chamber was very tight. a few years ago I had Lee Precision make me a .45acp sizer die that was undersize, do not remember by how much, because I had a POS 1911 type .45 that had the same problem. I sized cast bullets to .450 (another Lee Precision special)and made sure of my OAL and the Kahr did well. An expensive solution for a fairly inexpensive firearm, but I had the stuff on hand and it fixed the problem.

I should have sent it back to get it fixed.

David
 
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