Kahr back to factory

Okay, I couldn't take it....

I had to go and take a real close look at my P40. I do, indeed, have the same slight bow inward on the left frame rail. I have some questions:

1. Has anyone here personally examined the frame rails on a new, unfired P9/P40?

2. Does this "condition" seem to worsen with use?

3. Has anyone received an official response from Kahr basically admitting that this is a problem that they are aware of?

4. For those of you who have returned your Kahrs to the factory for repair, who is paying for the shipping?

BTW, I also just put some blue LOCTITE on my trigger pivot pin....hmmmm. :confused:
 
There is a unusual condition going around known as non-specific kahritis. It is unusual in that countless gunowners have been forced to send their Kahrs back, myself included before I sold the thing yet we hear nor read anything negative from the Gun Magazines. Truly odd and unqiue that the writers never seem to have the same problems as the proletariat.

I have posted this and I will post it again. The Kahr concept is wonderful but their return rate is unacceptable for the amount of money they ask for a given handgun model.

For those who have had good luck more power to ya. For those like me that got burned--------------I feel your pain.

BTW, there's nothing natural about polymer frame bowing. Do you see this with Glock, HK or Ruger Polymer weapons? I think not. I gues until the people speak with their pocketbooks, Kahr will continue to the the screws to the American public.

Again, nothing personal to anyone here but Kahr does irk me a bit when I read of how many other folks got suckered in and not one negative article from the paid endorsers writing articles for Gunzines.
 
For anyone who thinks the rails are supposed to be crooked, why? I have twenty hand guns and not a one of them have f'ed up rails. There can't see any conceiveable purpose for it. I have built several 1911 competition handguns. The object is to have the rails as straight and tight as possible for full contact. Not crooked and warped to promote quicker wear. I think they are just molded very bad. The factory has acknowledged receiving mine but no other word yet. I may call tomorrow. My dealer sent and paid the shipping. I only had it for a week. We sent it in about three weeks ago. Pretty sure I'll be dumping this one when I get it back. I can't see much long term durability here. If you have a good one great. By the way my dealer says they will no longer carry the Polymer frame Kahrs. They are one of the biggest dealers in the area,if not the biggest. I think that means something.
 
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I just returned from the range with my P9. Motivated by your reports, I closely inspected the framerails. They look quite straight. To check for bowing, I measured, by caliper, the distance between the framerails and they varied by no more than about four thousandths. I guess I just got a good one.

The gun performs flawlessly with factory ammo, not so with my reloads :) The action is very smooth, it is increadibly accurate and I love the trigger.

Although it does suffer from the walking trigger pin, it appears to be lessening with more rounds thru the gun.

To sum, evidently, not all of their polymer frames are bad. Equally evident, their quality control is lacking.
 
Catbird

1. Has anyone here personally examined the frame rails on a new, unfired P9/P40?

Yes on a P40, they are straight in my experience, but their is no such thing as unfired, because they fire them prior to shipping.

2. Does this "condition" seem to worsen with use?

Yes

3. Has anyone received an official response from Kahr basically admitting that this is a problem that they are aware of?

When I told them what I was experiencing they said send it in, so I feel they have admitted it without actually saying it.

4. For those of you who have returned your Kahrs to the factory for repair, who is paying for the shipping?

You must pay shipping initially, but they will reimburse you after you fax them a receipt.
 
Okay, after all this, since I've been going largely from memory, I went home and took off the slide.... Here's what I found:

My METAL RAILS are 100% straight. The plastic area around the rails LOOKS bowed, but I believe it is an optical illusion. The plastic gets thicker, and begins to curve inward over the top of the rails near the grip-end of the rails, I guess for strength. This gives it a "U" shape, that appears bowed, but when I cover the bottom part of that U, I see that it is indeed straight.

Never mind :rolleyes: Sorry 'bout that.

Will & others - I indeed got a gem this time, but only after I sent the original P9 back to the factory 3 times, and finally "requested" a replacement.

If you insist, Kahr will send for your pistol, and it will cost you nothing. Reimbursement is their preferred option, but dammit ('scuse me) if it's broke, COME GET IT AND FIX IT!!!
 
Onslaught, try putting a straight edge against the rails to check for straightness if you can't see. Place from front to rear lenght wise. I can drop a dime through the gap. It is not a optical illusion, although yours may very well be straight.
 
IRock - Nope, used the metal ruler from my carpenter's slide/level/gadget thingie :) and the rails are straight.

For the record though, I was only correcting my statement about mine being bowed, lending false confirmation to the fact that bowing may be normal. Your's and Bullitt's description of "bowed" were no doubt the real deal, and I wasn't suggesting any optical illusion for them.

If I had a digital camera, I'd post pics. I gotta get one of those things... ;)

Take care
 
i e-mailed the link to this thread to Kahr customer service hoping they would put up a reply with some answers. Maybe it is coming yet. Anyone heard anything else about this recently?
 
I talked to them Friday. They have yet to look at it. I will post the results.
 
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Well I recieved a new gun from Kahr. I got a MK40 instead of another P40. Yes there is a problem with the polymer frames as far as warp in the rails. The guy I talked to said " Thats the nature of polymer sometimes". Well Glock would disagree but I'm glad to be rid of it and very happy Kahr took care of the problem. Kahr did right by me, but there is still no excuse to put out a product like that. The dealer states they have also sent back several other P40's. If you have one I hope you have better luck.
 
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