Fred Hansen
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As if being 3rd rung boy at Werner Ladders was something to crow about.
Just throwing this out...
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I have always maintained that the Republican Party has always supported business....
While the Dems have always tried to tax them out of existence or offshore
Companies that don't make a profit end up out of business.....
And most of them pay much more in regulatory fees, taxes, etc. than they do salaries for their CEO's.
Don't fall victim to the class warfare schemes of the left.
The CEO could probably tighten the bolts on a widget.....but Joe Sixpack from the assembly line could not chart the course for a corporation.
That doesn't make the CEO a better person.....just someone that has had a more successful career track.
He has likely had more education, training, etc.
And he was smart/talented enough to negotiate those bonuses
The union didin't set his pay
While the Dems have always tried to tax them out of existence or offshore
Companies that don't make a profit end up out of business.....
And most of them pay much more in regulatory fees, taxes, etc. than they do salaries for their CEO's.
Don't fall victim to the class warfare schemes of the left.
The CEO could probably tighten the bolts on a widget.....but Joe Sixpack from the assembly line could not chart the course for a corporation.
That doesn't make the CEO a better person.....just someone that has had a more successful career track.
He has likely had more education, training, etc.
And he was smart/talented enough to negotiate those bonuses
The union didin't set his pay
Perhaps so...
But the GOP, has often supported some business's to the disadvantage of others. The current situation with energy companies being a good example.
Taxes...oopsie. The running budget shortfalls from Bush the 2nd, will have to be paid somehow, and unless the US starts to collect tributes, it will have to be taxes. So, the primary difference in being 'taxed out of existance', is that the GOP tends to do so by, deferred presence.
CEO's maybe, but of late more high profile CEO's have effectively ruined more companies than the guv'ment has managed to nail.
Class warfare schemes of the left. Guess what...the Republicans have that also. Saint Ronnie's use of the Mercedes driving welfare mom , was a pre-eminent example.
Maybe the CEO could tighten bolts, but how well and how long after the PR photoshoot?. In Germany and Japan, oftimes management is actually required to have some experience in that trades. Or at least some policy enforced time on the shop floor. Additionally, the whole concept that implies skill in the trades, could be done by anybody, but not reciprocal management by a tradesman...is a type of class contempt. Often "Joe Sixpack" has an education in his field, as specialized and as complex as the CEO. Simply a matter of different circumstances.
Smart, talented, maybe. But sometimes a simple matter of having the right background. And that, isn't always a matter of hard work and intelligence. The turn of the wheel, as it were...
GOP/Democrats, so what...it seems they both have become symptomatic of a certain hapless self referentialism.
And...do we get fries with that?.
But the GOP, has often supported some business's to the disadvantage of others. The current situation with energy companies being a good example.
Taxes...oopsie. The running budget shortfalls from Bush the 2nd, will have to be paid somehow, and unless the US starts to collect tributes, it will have to be taxes. So, the primary difference in being 'taxed out of existance', is that the GOP tends to do so by, deferred presence.
CEO's maybe, but of late more high profile CEO's have effectively ruined more companies than the guv'ment has managed to nail.
Class warfare schemes of the left. Guess what...the Republicans have that also. Saint Ronnie's use of the Mercedes driving welfare mom , was a pre-eminent example.
Maybe the CEO could tighten bolts, but how well and how long after the PR photoshoot?. In Germany and Japan, oftimes management is actually required to have some experience in that trades. Or at least some policy enforced time on the shop floor. Additionally, the whole concept that implies skill in the trades, could be done by anybody, but not reciprocal management by a tradesman...is a type of class contempt. Often "Joe Sixpack" has an education in his field, as specialized and as complex as the CEO. Simply a matter of different circumstances.
Smart, talented, maybe. But sometimes a simple matter of having the right background. And that, isn't always a matter of hard work and intelligence. The turn of the wheel, as it were...
GOP/Democrats, so what...it seems they both have become symptomatic of a certain hapless self referentialism.
And...do we get fries with that?.
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Mike Irwin
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"As for class envy, it has become my belief that if the Rich didn't start it, it would not exist."
Now that is a very curious statement...
Why would the rich start class envy?
Just what about the middle and lower classes do the rich envy? Beenie weenies in a burned pot on the stove and a can of Budweiser on the coffee table in front of the 13" black and white Zenith?
Here's a good example of unions interfering in the human relations process. Unfortunately, there's also the extra added layer/burden of the Federal government, and a another layer caused by racial issues.
Friend of mine is a cop in Federal service.
One day in the locker room one of his officers (black) pulled his service weapon on another, white, officer, and in front of better than 20 witnesses, threatened to kill said white officer, and held him at gun point, repeatedly threatening him, for nearly 5 minutes. Neither officer had a history with the other. According to all witnesses, of all races, white officer was simply the closest non-black officer in the vicinity, so he got to look down the barrel of a gun.
Seems like a pretty open and shut case, right?
Wrong.
The union interfered endlessly trying to save the job of an officer who also had several other excessive force complaints in his jacket.
It took nearly 30 months to get the officer terminated. During that time he was, due to union insistence, on paid leave.
Now that is a very curious statement...
Why would the rich start class envy?
Just what about the middle and lower classes do the rich envy? Beenie weenies in a burned pot on the stove and a can of Budweiser on the coffee table in front of the 13" black and white Zenith?
Here's a good example of unions interfering in the human relations process. Unfortunately, there's also the extra added layer/burden of the Federal government, and a another layer caused by racial issues.
Friend of mine is a cop in Federal service.
One day in the locker room one of his officers (black) pulled his service weapon on another, white, officer, and in front of better than 20 witnesses, threatened to kill said white officer, and held him at gun point, repeatedly threatening him, for nearly 5 minutes. Neither officer had a history with the other. According to all witnesses, of all races, white officer was simply the closest non-black officer in the vicinity, so he got to look down the barrel of a gun.
Seems like a pretty open and shut case, right?
Wrong.
The union interfered endlessly trying to save the job of an officer who also had several other excessive force complaints in his jacket.
It took nearly 30 months to get the officer terminated. During that time he was, due to union insistence, on paid leave.
Fred Hansen
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You mean Cadillac. Which anyone with eyes in the 1970's and even as late as the 1990's could see for themselves. I wouldn't call that class warfare so much as I would call it being 100% accurate. The welfare system in our country was rife with corruption - it still is to some degree - the difference now is one of degrees by virtue of the welfare system's reduced scope.
On the other hand, the left would like us to believe that because person "A" has a million dollars person "B" will always remain destitute. A patently false assertion for anyone with even a teeny-tiny-itty-bitty-eensy-weensy sense of how reality works. Everyone - if they are honest - understands that a person's fortunes in life change. Everyone knows that talent, hardwork, and perseverance can pay off. Likewise everyone who is honest knows that fortunes can be lost. But some would have us believe that we should continue to pay those with 17th century skills 21st century wages. Not without a Soviet command and control economy we're not. Not to mention that folks like their mp3 players more than a busted down Victrola.
Ah there is the rub that chafes at the left's hindquarters. They (the ones that are honest - even if only occasionally so) know that they would be right about the world, and humankind, if not for that pesky reality getting in the way and bollixing everything up.
The Mikey Moore quote that I use for my signature line is a great example of this. I was practically doing back handsprings the day (September 22, 2001) that Mikey posted it on his blog at www.michaelmoore.com there it was in [cyber]print; his admission that his stance on gun-control was one huge lie. God I love the internet.
You'd better check to see who was minding the store when Enron was pulling their shenanigans. NOT when it all came apart, but back when it it was being put together. Back when it could have/should have been stopped before a lot of little people got hurt.
HINT: The trail goes to the White House, allright. And it involves Presidential appointees who didn't do the job the American people expected them to do.
But it wasn't GW Bush who was in the Oval Office.
FH, yeah, but I don't like Caddies...
And what's considered welfare, can be conceptually relative. CRP, and the like, are without doubt government largesse, but very few politicos, either GOP or otherwise, will state that is the case.
So, the hostility to welfare, is in it's own way.is affected by a perception of class. Out here in the prairie hinterlands, to even allude that CRP, equipment depreciation, federally subsidized crop insurance, water projects, roads being built to nowhere, is welfare is almost heretical. But hitting on some of the welfare people in the cities, is virtually a requirement. Going back to the Caddie analogy, and having lived in barrios, reservations, big cities and farm country...the only place I've actually seen expensive vehicles being bought via gov'ment money...is on the farms (or the TEB contingent, but which government's money that is, can be hard to tell sometimes). Usually it's F-250 going to town trucks.
And ironically, the primary beneficiaries of these programs, have used them to run their smaller competitors out of the business. Unless one has more than 1,000 acres, and is collecting said largesse from those lands, it simply can't be done under these conditions. So ag. success, at least in this part of the US, isn't always a matter of hard work and drive. And, although these large operators may be good farmers, largely the situation which permits them to continue, is artificial government interdiction. And in general that artificial affluence, isn't spread very far into the other aspects of these rural economies. In this case, yes an artificial economic situation, has ensured if A stays affluent, B will be kept poor. In some of the prairie towns here in the north, there is less potential social mobility, than in Mexico. So welfare for the affluent, ensuring economic deprivation for the others...is quite a concept whether one is on the right or the left.
The 'current situation with the energy companies', is a direct reference to recent policy changes in favor of petro-industries. Bush and company have enacted policies hostile to alternative technologies.
We need oil as a strategic resource, but to believe that it can be always be extracted from questionable sources...either politically or geologically, is setting the US up for trouble.
The Enron and who's in the white house...goes back to my earlier statement that politics (on the large scale) in the US, has largely degenerated to who is going to benefit from government. Controlling or restricting it, is no longer an issue for either the GOP or the left. The only real distinction is how the perception of using the government is managed. The GOP denies it, the Demos, glory in it...but both want the till.
And what's considered welfare, can be conceptually relative. CRP, and the like, are without doubt government largesse, but very few politicos, either GOP or otherwise, will state that is the case.
So, the hostility to welfare, is in it's own way.is affected by a perception of class. Out here in the prairie hinterlands, to even allude that CRP, equipment depreciation, federally subsidized crop insurance, water projects, roads being built to nowhere, is welfare is almost heretical. But hitting on some of the welfare people in the cities, is virtually a requirement. Going back to the Caddie analogy, and having lived in barrios, reservations, big cities and farm country...the only place I've actually seen expensive vehicles being bought via gov'ment money...is on the farms (or the TEB contingent, but which government's money that is, can be hard to tell sometimes). Usually it's F-250 going to town trucks.
And ironically, the primary beneficiaries of these programs, have used them to run their smaller competitors out of the business. Unless one has more than 1,000 acres, and is collecting said largesse from those lands, it simply can't be done under these conditions. So ag. success, at least in this part of the US, isn't always a matter of hard work and drive. And, although these large operators may be good farmers, largely the situation which permits them to continue, is artificial government interdiction. And in general that artificial affluence, isn't spread very far into the other aspects of these rural economies. In this case, yes an artificial economic situation, has ensured if A stays affluent, B will be kept poor. In some of the prairie towns here in the north, there is less potential social mobility, than in Mexico. So welfare for the affluent, ensuring economic deprivation for the others...is quite a concept whether one is on the right or the left.
The 'current situation with the energy companies', is a direct reference to recent policy changes in favor of petro-industries. Bush and company have enacted policies hostile to alternative technologies.
We need oil as a strategic resource, but to believe that it can be always be extracted from questionable sources...either politically or geologically, is setting the US up for trouble.
The Enron and who's in the white house...goes back to my earlier statement that politics (on the large scale) in the US, has largely degenerated to who is going to benefit from government. Controlling or restricting it, is no longer an issue for either the GOP or the left. The only real distinction is how the perception of using the government is managed. The GOP denies it, the Demos, glory in it...but both want the till.
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Running Gunfight
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Don't fall victim to the class warfare schemes of the left.
Cuts both ways. IMO, the Republicans, in support of corporate power, have already won the war. Like the war on drugs, it is pretty much over. True capitalism does not exist in the US due to government and corporations being so intertwined.
This is what I mean. People are so busy throwing rocks at each other from "R" to "D" or vice-versa, that they don't see the big picture. More folks should think outside the box that the government, CNN, and FOX present to them.
Cuts both ways. IMO, the Republicans, in support of corporate power, have already won the war. Like the war on drugs, it is pretty much over. True capitalism does not exist in the US due to government and corporations being so intertwined.
This is what I mean. People are so busy throwing rocks at each other from "R" to "D" or vice-versa, that they don't see the big picture. More folks should think outside the box that the government, CNN, and FOX present to them.
Oh really? I live in the Detorit area and there sure are a lot of UAW members with sutomobile jobs still around here.
I just went on the Rouge plant tour and meet a whole bunch of auto workers with UAW on their overalls. Hmmmm....
Now please tell my about how the UAW hlped prevent the clsoure of Buick City in Flint? :barf: