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Tatsumi67

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Im assuming, as its common sense, that if you are in a room when "something goes down", and there is a LEO in that room, you are to NOT draw as it defaults to the LEO to draw and interdict?

I don't have my CCW yet (to young) but is that how it works?
 
wouldn't be a good idea. if you draw your weapon in a situation with a LEO in the room, guess who just became another target for the LEO :eek: He doesn't know that you are on his side.
 
wouldn't be a good idea. if you draw your weapon in a situation with a LEO in the room, guess who just became another target for the LEO He doesn't know that you are on his side.
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Maybe I wasnt clear enough: what I mean is, are you to NOT DRAW when a LEO is in the room, becuase he/she will be the one who should draw?
 
If something "goes down" in a room, there is no necessity for you to do anything anyway. Perhaps the best thing you can do is quietly and acutely observe. Our CCW permits are for self defense, not saving the world. The best thing you could do is nothing, but if you are threatened, get to a defensive position where, if necessary, you could protect yourself and others. The worst thing might be to engage someone in a firefight in order to stop a crime where bystanders might be hurt or killed for no good reason.

Ask yourself.. are you a gunfighter with training and experience in combat and up close firefights? Are you ready to die in a close confrontation if it is not absolutely necessary?

Do you want to end up in endless trouble for accidently shooting bystanders by starting a firefight when it might not have happened otherwise? I would use great caution and reserve before taking action in some situation. Life and death.
 
wouldn't be a good idea. if you draw your weapon in a situation with a LEO in the room, guess who just became another target for the LEO He doesn't know that you are on his side.
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Thats the answer I expected and wanted to hear, thanks.
 
If something "goes down" in a room, there is no necessity for you to do anything anyway. Perhaps the best thing you can do is quietly and acutely observe. Our CCW permits are for self defense, not saving the world.
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Actually your permit is to protect both yourself AND others. If you are in McDonalds and someone comes in and opens fire on someone else, are you just going to sit there with your gun on your side and do nothing while he kills innocent people? or are you going to neutralize the threat and keep him from killing innocent people? Would you wait to open fire until he attacked specifically you?

Maybe I wasnt clear enough: what I mean is, are you to NOT DRAW when a LEO is in the room, becuase he/she will be the one who should draw?
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Again, if you find out a LEO is in the room, you should not draw your weapon! If you have already drawn it and then find out of the LEO, you should immediately put down and step away from your weapon and make it clear that you are not there to do harm. again, he doesn't know whose side you are on.
 
I've got to admit I'm confused by your last few posts, Tatsumi67. First you say the quoted text showed that you hadn't been clear in your question, then the same quote is what you were looking for. ???
 
When ever and where ever you draw your weapon you are

now a target... that's why there are very strict rules of why and when you should.

Just keep in mind if you ever do draw it... it is a bad day. how bad depends on a lot of things, many of them unknown.
 
+1 to what Teuthis said. Just because something "goes down" doesn't mean you have to get involved with it, LE presence or not. It is not a good idea to draw your weapon unless you or a loved one is in imminent danger.
 
David, Please read post #7. Are you saying that if someone elses mother or grandmother or daughter was in imminent danger and you were able to stop the threat that you wouldn't?
 
In Oklahoma the law specifically mentions you can use the firearm to defend yourself, a family member, or an employee. It doesn't say you can defend anyone else. I guess if you find yourself in a situation its up to you to decide if you will defend someone else.
 
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If something "goes down" in a room, there is no necessity for you to do anything anyway. Perhaps the best thing you can do is quietly and acutely observe. Our CCW permits are for self defense, not saving the world.

Actually your permit is to protect both yourself AND others. If you are in McDonalds and someone comes in and opens fire on someone else, are you just going to sit there with your gun on your side and do nothing while he kills innocent people? or are you going to neutralize the threat and keep him from killing innocent people? Would you wait to open fire until he attacked specifically you?
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Actually, that is a wise approach. You don't have an obligation to risk your own safety to try and protect others. However, if you do try and you make a mistake you will get all the blame and all the legal problems and legal bills. You may also get yourself killed or crippled.
 
If I am in the room and "something goes down" and I am armed.

I WILL draw my weapon and keep it down,out of sight.

I am not going to gamble on ANYBODY to keep me safe if there is someone in a room that is endangering me or anyone else in the room.

You can have a drawn weapon and not be open about it.

Aim it at the floor and simply be quiet.

If the LEO needs help,you are ready to help.

If not,you just put your handgun away.
 
Actually, that is a wise approach. You don't have an obligation to risk your own safety to try and protect others. However, if you do try and you make a mistake you will get all the blame and all the legal problems and legal bills. You may also get yourself killed or crippled.
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Sorry, but if I was in a room and a perp came in and pulled a gun and was going to kill someone else, even if I had never met that person before, I would take action. I couldn't just sit back and watch that person be killed just becuase they weren't "MY" loved one. The are definately someone elses!
 
The idea of blithely sitting there doing nothing while a bad guy kills other people is repellent to me. That innocent person about to be killed is someone's wife, mother, brother, father, whatever. I couldn't live with myself if I knew that I had the opportunity to stop the killing and did absolutely nothing to do so.
 
Are you saying that if someone elses mother or grandmother or daughter was in imminent danger and you were able to stop the threat that you wouldn't?
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There are definitely people out there that wouldn't take action to prevent/lessen a crime. Believe it.:(

Much of it stems from litigation fear and regulations. Sad.
 
The idea of blithely sitting there doing nothing while a bad guy kills other people is repellent to me. That innocent person about to be killed is someone's wife, mother, brother, father, whatever. I couldn't live with myself if I knew that I had the opportunity to stop the killing and did absolutely nothing to do so.
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Glad to hear there is at least one other person out there that would protect my family or friends or just innocent people (ie. someones loved ones)
Thanks csmsss ;)
 
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