Just say NO to McCain and Rudy G.

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McCain :barf:
Gulliani :barf:

Both are ANTI's and will vote in favor of any "reasonable" gun control. Either could work for Sarah Brady's outfit. :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
I hate to say it, but I am more than a one platform voter. I oted for McCain the first time, and would vote for Guiliani given the chance. Do I like their views on a few things? No, definitely not. However, I prefer their stance far, far more than the alternatives, be it Democrat or Libertarian.
 
I hate to say it, but I am more than a one platform voter. I oted for McCain the first time, and would vote for Guiliani given the chance. Do I like their views on a few things? No, definitely not. However, I prefer their stance far, far more than the alternatives, be it Democrat or Libertarian.
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Do they let you take an air sickness bag into the booth with you? or do you throw up in your shoe?
 
If either of these worthless cretins is the Repub option just vote Dem. They stand for nothing positive and they have nothing to offer, just like every other leftist so we might as well have the real thing and finish off what's left of this sorry mess we're becoming.
 
If McCain, or Giulliani do happen to get the nomination--first, that would be scarey as to where the party is headed. These guys are not real Republicans, they are Rinos. It is possible though that they might have an epiphany when they realize who they must count on for their base. I don't think either one of these squishy critters could pull enough lefties to win.
 
Yes what are the alternatives. One must always ask this.
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Well, let's see: someone that values individual liberty, perhaps?

If either of these worthless cretins is the Repub option just vote Dem. They stand for nothing positive and they have nothing to offer, just like every other leftist so we might as well have the real thing and finish off what's left of this sorry mess we're becoming.
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I disagree. I would vote for a THIRD party. You said it yourself: we're getting a leftist either way if one of them is the R nominee. What harm can voting L or C do? In addition, if many people do this, it will bring the much-needed publicity these parties need. Even a couple million votes would be enough to make people realize that there is still a chance to restore freedom here!

If McCain, or Giulliani do happen to get the nomination--first, that would be scarey as to where the party is headed. These guys are not real Republicans, they are Rinos. It is possible though that they might have an epiphany when they realize who they must count on for their base. I don't think either one of these squishy critters could pull enough lefties to win.
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You mean like "I veto nothing" Bush did? Neocons (AKA RINOS) don't have epiphanies. They have big business.
 
+1 phetro...I think what this country need right now is a good solid 3rd party to shake up all the corruption and stupidity in government. Unfortunately the Democrats and the Republicans have a monopoly and I don't see it happening anytime soon.

I agree that even tough Rudy and McCain are anti-gun, I vote for them over any democrat out there. I also fear some ultra conservative religous wacko will win the Republican Primary and we will be stuck with Hilliary in 08. Rudy and McCain are moderates and well known. They are the only ones that can beat the Democrats in 08.
 
McCain's hipocracy

I find it interesting that McCain is said to be a "practicing Christian," yet he works to gut the Constitution. Not very "Christian" in my book.:barf:
 
Rudy and McCain would both loose. Neither will pull enough from the left to make a difference once the base from the right decides to stay home, and that IS what will happen if either wins the nod.

McCain is also unbalanced in my opinion and will have a public meltdown if he gets the nod. He is very used to being the darling of the press. He is the "reasonable republican" all the leftist media cries over never getting the nod. He would be in for a shock though if he did get the nod. McCain would become THE ENEMY to the left leaning media as soon as he became the candidate running against the chosen Democrat. Every piece of leftist legislation he had backed will be forgotten by the media and they will start painting him as the enemy. In true John McCain fashion he will lash out and make an ass out of himself in public to a degree not reached by even Howard Dean.

People say that elections are determined by the middle, but that is only true if the base for each side shows up.

Bush and the NeoCons have driven a pretty big stake into the heart of the Republican party and I do not know what can realistically be done beofre 2008to pull it out. The Republicans need new leadership with someone who is truly on the right, not just lip service. At the same time we cannot have someone who is in lock step with the religious fanatics who would dominate the party if they had their way. The bottom line is many people fear Fundamentalist Christians as much as Fundamentalist Muslims. The Islamic Radicals may be more violent but the Fundamentalist Christians are here in vast numbers. Both of them use the same cloudy logic to justify their decisions and it scare the hell out of the thinking nation.

Run someone who is just another Democrat that is running as a Republican and they will loose.
 
the route to the nomination runs through South Carolina. That's going to stop both these guys cold.
I lived and worked in NYC when Rudi was mayor (spelled Dictator)
I wouldn't vote for him for Dog Catcher.

AFS
 
Condi Rice! She is a 2nd Amendment absolutist!
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She's an intelligent, well rounded, accomplished woman. She'd be a great choice for the republican nomination. And that, my friends is why it's not gonna happen.

I think she has said she doesn't want to run anyway :(
 
The Polls Indicate...

...that the majority of Americans really do want communism--whether from the D or the R side.

Of course, it would help a little if the polls had put a conservative in as an option. There was not a single conservative listed (Condoleeza Rice, who I was once quite fond of, is NOT a conservative, and I would no longer vote for her).
 
The Democratic candidates would be Clinton and Obama, or so I believe, which will be a strong ticket. Obama is the up and comer, who also happens to be African American. He appears intelligent and articulate, as well as a left-winger.

Unfortunately I think the one Republican who would have a chance is not going to run. And third party? While that's a great idea, do you really think a third party would beat the democrats? Seriously? BEAT them in a presidential election? Show well? sure. but BEAT them?
 
Condi is the only viable option.

I think Condi is the ONLY person who can beat Hillary in '08. Gulliani is a socialist in disguise. McCain is a cookoo bird. Condi must run and save the Republican Party and our country from Communism, which is about to take hold of this country. :eek:
 
My concern is not with the president but with the mid-term elections in congress. With the scandals of guys like Abramhoff, Delay and Randy Cunningham as well as the idiocy of Bush and his incompetent neocon flunkies, the perception is people are sick of Republicans and we could have a reversal of the 94 elections. With a Republican congress they were able to kill any gun control bills before they got out of commitee or kill it outright, but Democrats, even southern ones, I just don't know. Believe me, you do not want to live under the control of liberals hell bent to undo whatever Bush and the Republicans have done. I have lived in liberal central for 30+ years so I've inured myself to it but it still makes me sick. Oh and a lot of news commentators are saying that the alternative to McCain is Mass. governor Mitt Romney. Blecchh!!! By the way, what is McCain's record regarding guns?
 
McCain has taken over $2 million in campaign donations from former Handgun Control Board of Director member Andrew McKelvey who started his own anti-gun organization under the guise of being "gun-safety" oriented.

Since then McCain has submitted several bills pushing gun-show background checks. TFL has quite a rich archive of both the past bills and McCain and McKelvey working together if you want to search it.

McCain did vote against renewing the 1994 semi-auto ban in 2004 even though it was Americans for Gun Safety (McKelvey's group) supported the ban. I guess $2 million only buys so much... which would pretty much sum up my feelings about McCain.
 
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