Just Saw "Gladiator"...

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"A Roman footsoldier was a lousy one-man fighting machine; but the ultimate component of a collective fighting machine."

Good line, Battler!
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All,

If we each became such an "ultimate component", we could easily oust the tyrants and elect whomever we wanted.

Oh well. Just another pipe dream.
 
Battler:

Good point re: the offensive capabilities of the Roman infantry shield (that big boss in the center wasn't just for show), and an excellent summary of tactical principle.

SA Scott
 
This is why I love TFL; I'm getting a history lesson and a movie review from people who actually know what they're talking about. Haven't seen Gladiator yet, but this thread just talked me into it...

Shoot straight

freedomlover



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wow I have GOT to see this..

"the watchword for tonight ceaser..is LIBERTY"

(Patrick Stewart as Sejanus; I, Claudius)

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Tamara, us 11 Bulletcatchers prefer 11 Bang Bang instead. And once again I go off in the distance dragging my knuckles on the ground and grunting. :D
 
Just for the record, I saw the film tonight.

:D OH YEAH :D

It met or exceeded all of my expectations.

Some minor peeves, yes, but nothing that would prevent me from seeing it again.

Vale et Vae Victis

SA Scott
 
Anyone interested in learning about the Roman Army should get a hold of a copy of "Greece and Rome at War" by Peter Connolly. This is an oustanding book describing thr Roman Arm's history. organization, tactics and arms and armor. It has hundreds of detailed and accurate golor paintings by Connolly and Many diagrams and maps, Connolly has made a long and detailed study of the Greek and Roman armys and his paintings are based on archelogical evidence.
This book is by far the best book I have ever seen on the Roman Army and you get the Greeks and Macedonians in the same book.
It is available from Amazon.com for $35. If your intrested in the subject, get this book.
 
I think Commodus actually was assinated by the Praetorian Guard after some years of rule. "Gladiator" is a remake of "Fall of the Roman Empire" which also had Maximus and Commodus fighting in the arena, with the same outcome more or less.
 
Commodus, IIRC, was assasinated after 12 years reign by an athlete who was hired to do it, and who strangled (I think) him in his bedchamber. Commodus in real life would have been more attracted to his nephew than his sister.
 
Unleash Hell...

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Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings; they did it by killing all those who opposed them.
 
Commodus (Lucius Aelius Aurelius) Emperor from 180-192.

Commodus was a megalomaniac, who fancied himself a son of Jupiter He fought many times as a gladiator in the Arena, but it is thought that his victories were more due to his opponents not wanting to be the guy that offed the Emp, than any great skill on the part of Commodus.

He was married, but I can't remember just off-hand his wifes name, and he had a series of mistresses, the most important of which was Marcia.

Actually, Commodus was, for most of his reign, a rather popular Caesar, whose eccentricities we probably regarded with a bit of amusement by his subjects.

Towards the end of his rule, though, he went from charmingly squirrely to downright nutty: He renamed the months of the calendar, the country, the city and several other things after himself.

The real kicker, however, was at the end of his tenure. Power in the Empire had passed into the hands of his mistress, a couple of prefects, and the Chamberlain.

Commodus, not to be outdone, decided that he would assume the office of Consul. He decided to do this on Jan 1, 193--which would have been all well and good--but he decided to do it in his gladiatorial armour and in the barracks of the gladiators in the Colloseum.

This was a wee bit too fruity for the citizens of Rome, and more importantly, for his mistress and her buddies.

On the night of Dec 31, 192, Marcia and her cohorts had him killed. Some accounts have him strangled in his bedchamber and others say he got drowned in the bath.

Anyhoo, before the body was cold, the grateful Senate proclaimed Pertinax (city prefect) Emperor of Rome. Matter-of-fact, he was Emperor before the imperial guard woke at dawn that morning.

LawDog

(I am looking forward to seeing this movie this weekend.)

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The Roman legions evolved over a long period of time. There weapons, armor, organization and tactics changed radically over the centuries.
The word legion comes from legio which meant the levy, Originallt the legio was the entire Roman Army. As rome's population expanded the lego expanded until it was divided intp legions.
The organization changed also. During the wars with Cathage a legion had four types of soldiers with different weapons, armor, and tactics. The shift to a songle type of soldier ocurred around 100 BC>
 
Hard Ball,

That was when you legionary types started referring to yourselves as "Marius' Mules", eh?

The overall literacy of this board is what keeps me coming back... :)

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10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
Damned right Tamara! Marius took away our baggage mules. That's why I fought for Sulls when he and Marius had their civil war. Sulla won, but we never got the mules back. You can't trust these damned politicians. If this goes on the Roman republic may well fall!
Marius also started a rule that you had to be able to read and write before you could be promoted to Centurion! Talk about discrimination against poor, hard working workers and farmers!
And he got elected Consul seven times. He must have bribed the voters!
Gaius Julius Ceasar may be all right, He doubled our pay, but some people say he just did that because he wants to overtrow the Republic and make himself dictator for life.

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Hey Hard Ball, speak for yourself!

I'm tired of scraping the mule s**t of my caligae! Besides, at least Marius was the first to pay us a decent wage! :D

Ave, Marius Imperator

SA Scott
 
Marius condemmed Roman citizens to death witout a public trial. He violated one of the most sacred laws of the Roman Republic when he did that.
To hades with Marius!

Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix!

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For those of you anxious to join us in our fond remembrances of The Glory That Was Rome, some recommendations.
In addition to the aforementioned Greece and Rome at War (which my pookie bought me for my birthday: Good Pookie!), there is Warfare in the Classical World published by Barnes & Noble press, as well as the ABSOLUTELY INVALUABLE (to say nothing of dangerously addictive) Osprey series of books. Among artists, Angus McBride is like unto a god... That's off the top of my head, more recommendations when I actually have my library in front of me, as I'm at my beau's pied a terre for the weekend.

Well, gotta stop posting for the nonce and go hang out at a gun shop and bs about firearms for pay for the rest of the afternoon. Life is tough...

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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
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