Just Like Jessica Lynch: Army Spun Web of Lies Around Death of Pat Tillman

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Just Like Jessica Lynch: Army Spun Web of Lies Around Death of Ex-football Star and Special Forces’ Pat Tillman

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Blue Lemur | December 7, 2004

In the second part of a two-part series, the Washington Post’s Steve Coll guts the military’s glittery narrative of the death of football star Pat Tillman who was killed by friendly fire in southeastern Afghanistan. Days after Pat Tillman died, the U.S. Army Special Operations Command released a brief account of his last moments, a narrative which the Post discovers was deliberately distorted and incomplete. The article is long and recommended reading in full for those registered with the Post.

The statement awarded Tillman a posthumous Silver Star for combat valor and described how a section of his Ranger platoon came under attack.

“He ordered his team to dismount and then maneuvered the Rangers up a hill near the enemy’s location,” the release said. “As they crested the hill, Tillman directed his team into firing positions and personally provided suppressive fire … Tillman’s voice was heard issuing commands to take the fight to the enemy forces.”

It was a stirring tale and fitting eulogy for the Army’s most famous volunteer in the war on terrorism, a charismatic former pro football star whose reticence, courage and handsome beret-draped face captured for many Americans the best aspects of the country’s post-Sept. 11 character.

It was also a distorted and incomplete narrative, according to dozens of internal Army documents obtained by The Washington Post that describe Tillman’s death by fratricide after a chain of botched communications, a misguided order to divide his platoon over the objection of its leader and undisciplined firing by fellow Rangers.

The Army’s public release made no mention of friendly fire, even though at the time it was issued, investigators in Afghanistan had already taken at least 14 sworn statements from Tillman’s platoon members that made clear the true causes of his death. The statements included a searing account from the Ranger nearest Tillman during the firefight, who quoted him as shouting “Cease fire! Friendlies!” with his last breaths.

Army records show Tillman fought bravely during his final battle. He followed orders, never wavered and at one stage proposed discarding his heavy body armor, apparently because he wanted to charge a distant ridge occupied by the enemy, an idea his immediate superior rejected, witness statements show.

But the Army’s published account not only withheld all evidence of fratricide, but it exaggerated Tillman’s role and stripped his actions of their context. Tillman was not one of the senior commanders on the scene – he directed only himself, one other Ranger and an Afghan militiaman, under supervision from others. And witness statements in the Army’s files at the time of the press release describe Tillman’s voice ringing out on the battlefield mainly in a desperate effort, joined by other Rangers on his ridge, to warn comrades to stop shooting at their own men.

The Army’s April 30 press release was just one

episode in a broader Army effort to manage the uncomfortable facts of Pat Tillman’s death, according to internal records and interviews.

During several weeks of memorials that followed Tillman’s death, commanders at his 75th Ranger Regiment and their superiors hid the truth about friendly fire from Tillman’s brother Kevin, who had fought with Pat in the same platoon, but was not involved in the firing incident and did not know the cause of his brother’s death. Commanders also withheld the facts from Tillman’s widow, his parents, national politicians and the public, according to records and interviews with sources involved in the case.
 
During several weeks of memorials that followed Tillman’s death, commanders at his 75th Ranger Regiment and their superiors hid the truth about friendly fire from Tillman’s brother Kevin, who had fought with Pat in the same platoon, but was not involved in the firing incident and did not know the cause of his brother’s death. Commanders also withheld the facts from Tillman’s widow, his parents, national politicians and the public, according to records and interviews with sources involved in the case.
I think that part is disgraceful. I understand why they lie to the public to keep down resistance to the war, but lying to the family goes way to far.
 
They just have to keep lying about this war. It was all based on lies, so why shouldn't it be perpetuated with lies.
 
Generating misinformation [for whatever reason] from the battlefront goes on all the time in the military. But seems to be especially prevalent in the army.. :rolleyes:
 
Quite a while back I met an older couple at The Moving Wall . They were taking an imprint from the wall . Quite by accident I noticed that they were taking the name of a kid I went to Jump School with . I remembered him because he went to "The Rock" to become part of the 173rd Airborne Brigade . I stood behind him in formation so I could describe him . He got killed in a firefight in which I did not participate BUT they didn't know that .I was aware of the engagement in which he lost his life .So with that bit of knowledge I did something . I told them how he held the line while we regrouped the pride started to show . I explained that he was badly wounded and probably knew that he was not going to make it . He did all he could to make sure the rest of us could launch a successful counterattack . I made a point of mentioning that we killed all the enemy soldiers involved . We avenged him on that very day .Was it true ? NO! Were there 2 proud parents going back home with a sense of pride in their son ? I think so . Would I do it again ? In a heartbeat . Sometimes a little wrong can do a great right .I think those people that seemed to bend over backwards to make sure that those family members of Pat Tillman knew that he died as a casualty caused by mistake did so in the most mean spirited fashion . They were lashing out at Bush and hit innocent people .
 
Nothing good about lying.

There are not many things as bad as finding out that those whose word you would trust have lied to you. The truth is the best route; as painful as it may sometimes be, it is less painful than a lie exposed.
 
It amazes me how many people believe in perfect knowledge. This is war. You never know what happened, not even while it's happening to you.

If we are lucky, and an incident is interesting for whatever reason, we might get some information after the fact.

It worries me that so many people expect accurate information out of a war zone.

Geoff Timm
Who is skeptical. :cool:
 
Quite a while back I met an older couple at The Moving Wall . They were taking an imprint from the wall . Quite by accident I noticed that they were taking the name of a kid I went to Jump School with . I remembered him because he went to "The Rock" to become part of the 173rd Airborne Brigade . I stood behind him in formation so I could describe him . He got killed in a firefight in which I did not participate BUT they didn't know that .I was aware of the engagement in which he lost his life .So with that bit of knowledge I did something . I told them how he held the line while we regrouped the pride started to show . I explained that he was badly wounded and probably knew that he was not going to make it . He did all he could to make sure the rest of us could launch a successful counterattack . I made a point of mentioning that we killed all the enemy soldiers involved . We avenged him on that very day .Was it true ? NO! Were there 2 proud parents going back home with a sense of pride in their son ? I think so . Would I do it again ? In a heartbeat . Sometimes a little wrong can do a great right .I think those people that seemed to bend over backwards to make sure that those family members of Pat Tillman knew that he died as a casualty caused by mistake did so in the most mean spirited fashion . They were lashing out at Bush and hit innocent people .

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber-barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber-baron's cruelty may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
 
If you had just lost your son in combat which would you rather hear?

1. Mr. and Mrs. Smith your son died a hero bravely defending his country in the face of fearsome resistance to the enemy. He sacrificed his life to save that of his comrads in a night-time raid. He died a hero and he's getting a medal.

2. Mr. and Mrs. Smith your son died because there was shooting and mass confusion, so confusing that some of the men in his own platoon fired upon their brothers. You son died in terror in the dark, he was bleeding from several wounds and crying out in pain. He choked on his own vomit and snot, and we didnt even get one enemy soldier. In fact your son died for absolutely no reason at all, He died because of his own stupidity when he stood up instead of lying flat on the ground. Your sons life was totally wasted.

Well, either story your son is still dead.

Both of these statements are true, the man was killed in a nighttime raid possibly by friendly fire. Storys like the first are ususlly presented to families to help them with their grief.

It happens Pat Tilman who is one of many soldiers that died was famous becaus he left the NFL to join up, and the press made a big deal about it. Now they are using his death to beat the military and make the army look bad. If it had been his non celebrity brother we would have never heard about it.
 
They just have to keep lying about this war. It was all based on lies, so why shouldn't it be perpetuated with lies.
so [terrorists] driving planes into buildings and killin thousands was all a lie?
 
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'Just lie to me. I like it better that way.'

People wanting to be lied to, to make themselves "feel" better!? :confused: I was going to remark, "unbelievable", but I am hearing so much of this stuff, post 9/11, that it is getting downright scary! For example, "Well, I agree that the Patriot Act, and other post 9/11 legislation may be a violation of my Constitutional Rights, but if it will keep terrorists from attacking us, then I "guess" it's not so bad?" Yeah, and the former countries of East Berlin, and the U.S.S.R, and today's communist China, were/are pretty "safe & secure" places to live in too, (does it may you feel all warm and cozy?). So should we just turn America into a Police State and be "really secure"?? I hope not! :mad: If you want true freedom, then you must willing to allow for an increased level of risk (it's a fine balancing act).

Call me outdated, but I was under the distinct American impression, that one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment, was to cause any potential attacker from giving serious thought to invading this land. Sadly, our Modern Liberal culture is stripping Americans of the idea of taking personal responsibility for themselves, including saving your life. Sadly, as far as we know, none of the passengers on those ill fated flights, on 9/11, were armed with any sort of weapon at all, and also as far as we know, it was only on one of those three flights, that a mere handful of people did anything - and that plane NEVER reached its target. But then again, listen to what American children are being taught in school today, e.g., "Fighting is wrong, and guns are bad!" Here is a typical situation that is repeated almost daily in today's school system, e.g., "Johnny is being suspended today for fighting. Two boys attacked him on the playground, and he bloodied their noses. They were taken crying to the school nursing station."

September 11, 2001 was a horrible tragedy. However, consider that over 55,000 Americans die in traffic accidents every year on our roadways, and about half of those due to DUI's. Maybe a greater terrorist threat are all the drunk drivers out there? I'm using an extreme example, but we have to get a grip on reality. Our Constitutional freedoms are being slowly stripped away from us, and all in the guise of "National Security".

Joseph Goebbels, the WWII Nazi propagandist, employed two maxims quite effectively (unfortunately), and they were:

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it."
"If you keep the masses in fear, you can do anything."

A look at his principles of propaganda are illuminating. Here is an excerpt, it is principle number 16:

16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
(a) Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat
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I would suggest that everyone who thinks that propaganda and lies are a good form of government, read George Orwell's 1984, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago. Also, how many of you have read the Bill of Rights lately, or even the entire U.S. Constitution!? Furthermore, I would suggest a thorough reading of some of the major works by our founding forefathers like, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson.

Final Thought: When I was a Peace Officer, I never lied to any family member(s) when delivering death notifications. Not only will it cause more grief later - and come back to bite you in the ass - but it is immoral, and was also against departmental policy. (We never went into any of the gory details, but we let them know in a vague way what the cause of death was, e.g. killed in a traffic collision, industrial accident, was found shot in an alley - we are investigating further, etc.)
 
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This is war. You never know what happened, not even while it's happening to you.



Yea, so let's just make stuff up until we can figure out what really happened. I always seemed to have a pretty good idea when someone was shooting at me or other members of my unit.
 
Non sequiter

"so ragheads driving planes into buildings and killin thousands was all a lie?"

Overlooking the obvious racism and spelling defects to address the substantive issue, in what way, shape, manner or form does toppling Saddam Hussein - a SECULAR leader with no ties to the fundamentalist al Queda organization - remotely relate to 9/11?

I guess when they're all "ragheads," it makes no difference..... :barf:
 
"so ragheads driving planes into buildings and killin thousands was all a lie?"

Overlooking the obvious racism and spelling defects to address the substantive issue, in what way, shape, manner or form does toppling Saddam Hussein - a SECULAR leader with no ties to the fundamentalist al Queda organization - remotely relate to 9/11?

I guess when they're all "ragheads," it makes no difference.....

this is not about the war in iraq, it said afghanistan in the article

for future reference, non suquiter is spelled "non sequitur"
 
People wanting to be lied to, to make themselves "feel" better!? I was going to remark, "unbelievable", but I am hearing so much of this stuff, post 9/11, that it is getting downright scary!
And what purpose does it serve to dish out the gory details of an individual's death? Ever read Tim O'Brien's The Things they Carried? In one story, a soldier drowns in a village's leach field during a fire fight. What purpose does it serve to state any more than the man died during a fire fight? The man is dead either way.

Tillman died in action, end of story. The exact how is really only important to the military in a "lessons learned" sense.
 
It's not about the confusion in war that leads to "friendly fire". It's not about hiding the gory details from his family. It's not about a mistake the military made when reporting the incident. It's the fact that the military lied. If you think it's important to lie to make the war more acceptable to the public, maybe you should question the acceptability of the war.

To me the worst of it is the tarnish it brings to the real heros. Tillman is just as much a hero as the other 120,000 troops. He certianly gave up more than most, before and after he decided to serve. To use his celibrity to try and drum up support for the war is disgusting to me. It also brings into question the rest of what the military reports.
 
Giving Gory Details? Reply to Destructo6.

And what purpose does it serve to dish out the gory details of an individual's death?
Read the last paragraph of my initial post.

In one story, a soldier drowns in a village's leach field during a fire fight. What purpose does it serve to state any more than the man died during a fire fight? The man is dead either way.

The DoD currently differentiates between KIA, and other forms of death such as accident, suicide, etc. After family notification(s), the cause of death absent gory details, if any, are released to various media outlets for distribution (see DoD policy). For example, there have been numerous military personnel killed in non-combat related accidents in Iraq, e.g., supply trucks collide, bulldozer slides down river embankment, rolls over onto the soldier pinning him underwater. In many cases the family members themselves, want to know the circumstances surrounding the loss of their loved-one. I have never heard of families asking for morbid details, but I have heard of relatives of the deceased getting really upset when the DoD lied about the incident; especially when it was used for propaganda purposes, i.e., making it into a "glorious combat sacrifice", when in reality it was quite different. Some families are so incensed at the deception, that they demand the truth of the matter be published in the newspaper, along with a public apology.

Jessica Lynch, and her family are demanding that the truth be told about her incident, and they are meeting stiff opposition from the DoD. Appropriately, there is a section of my previous post about propaganda (with links). Please read it, then ask yourselves WHY you want to hear 'spin', rather than the truth. I would also suggest a complete re-reading of the the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, as well as a few books by Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson. After that, you may have a better understanding of why lying by U.S. and/or State Government officials, is not such a goud (sic) idea. A quick read of Article I, Section 8; of the U.S. Constitution, would be an excellent place to start, because it deals with the declaration of war, who has the authority to make that decision, and Congress's responsibilities to make and regulate the doctrines and/or policies of our Armed Forces.

Finally, there are also many times when some of the details of gruesome deaths of DoD personnel, and/or other American victims are released, e.g., the mutilation of the charred bodies of the Blackwater Security detail, and the beheading of Nick Berg. When the press releases the information, it is usually to let the American people know what is actually occurring, and the DoD, usually does the same. (However, consider their ongoing cover-up of the Vietnam POW situation).

Bottom Line: If We the People, are to make intelligent and wise decisions, and to choose elected representatives that will protect and preserve our American way of life, then fact - absent propaganda - must be the rule of the day. Pity the poor souls who live in countries where this is not the case, e.g., China, North Korea, and even Russia.
 
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Finally, there are also many times when some of the details of gruesome deaths of DoD personnel, and/or other American victims are released, e.g., the mutilation of the charred bodies of the Blackwater Security detail, and the beheading of Nick Berg.
Neither case were DOD personnel. And in neither case was the media outlet US. Bad examples.
Bottom Line: If We the People, are to make intelligent and wise decisions; and choose our elected officials that will protect and preserve our American way of life, then fact - absent propaganda - must be the rule of the day.
And you are making what decisions based on the details of Tillman's death? None, the details are unimportant.
 
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