JPFO Alert on New Orleans

Rich,
I respect your call for restraint on this issue.

This video is the third I have seen that apparently shows this happening though. The man zipcuffed and seated on a trailer could have been talking about any constitutional right I suppose, since he did not specify. A well connected attorney who refuses to leave and openly states he will defy force with force presents a little stickier problem than a working class Joe on his own.

I have the highest respect for our LEOs and NG who are trying to bring about change in NOLA. I believe they are all performing their jobs to the highest standard of their own conscience. I also believe there is enough smoke to indicate a fire. I do not believe all LEOs are participating, but it's hard to deny that some are, and they are not being restrained by their fellow LEOs.

I fear that like the events a few weeks ago in Richmond Virginia, the apparent events in New Orleans will fall by the wayside among gun owners who just do not want to believe these things can happen in the US. Other news will take precedence, and those who had their rights stripped in New Orleans will be labeled nuts and crazies and will be forgotten. I, too, have a hard time accepting that confiscation may be happening in my own state. Something certainly seems to be happening. I want to know the truth of the matter.
 
Rich mischaracterized:
Hmmmmm. M-16's? Those are full auto and HIGHLY regulated. Could it be that the reporter is taking "liberties" with his ASS-umptions of what is really going on?
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As you well know, Rich, in that same article, the reporter quoted .gov officials saying that only government agents will be armed.

Rich, your behavior in locking these gun-confiscation threads leaves my disappointed and puzzled. You got a dog in this fight that we should know about?

Rick
 
Oystermick-
Go figure.... an article about a local neighborhood watch group and the LEO's that SUPPORT their right to protect themselves with firearms. Guess not everyone got the order down there.

RickD-
Yup, I do have a "dog in this fight". It's called balance and benefit of the doubt for Americans working thru this thing while you and I type on our computers. And I'm not going to allow a lot of Armchair Rambo attitudes or Tinfoil Rants detract from that, absent factual information.

As you well know, Rich, in that same article, the reporter quoted .gov officials saying that only government agents will be armed.
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.gov evidently hasn't gotten the word from .gov:
The article in question clearly states "That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168993,00.html


Besides, the original "order" from NOPD Superintendent Compass clearly stated that "private security" would be allowed to carry guns:
No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police.
[snip]
Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.
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Here

Hey, I've an idea. Let's pick from this apparently contradictory collage of experiences only what we'd like so as to paint the world the way we intend it to be. Cool.
 
Rich, the "here" link is inactive. :confused:

Did they take it down? :mad:
Did you screw it up? :p


If I send a NYT article about gun confiscation to my dad, my best friend, and another friend of mine (the last is pretty anti-gun and believes nothing's wrong with registration and AWBs and such), it might go a long way toward making them realize why I hold my nose and vote for anyone who is pro-gun, regardless of other issues.

They disrespect me as a "one-issue voter."

I say this is why I am.

-blackmind
 
By M16 he obviously meant an AR-15 variant.
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OK, so on this very Forum where we regularly lambaste reporters for not knowing what they are talking about, especially when it comes to guns and gun laws...we've suddenly decided that those EXACT SAME factual errors should be overlooked.

This guy would have gotten about two posts with that error, in context of a crime report, before being torn to pieces.

No need for consistency of judgment just now, though. We're busy being righteously indignant.
Rich
 
What's the deal with "credible source" hysteria? Can't we have a discussion about something without the thread being locked by censors regardless of whether or not it's been proven true yet?
 
What's the deal with "credible source" hysteria?
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On an issue this important, I can see it both ways. On one hand, there is a need for discussion. On the other hand there is a need to rein in exaggerations and impotent chest beatings.

Mr.O'Dwyer (the man in the afforementioned video) is a prominent maritime attorney, well heeled, well connected, and he has been described to me as a man who would die rather than back down. I have sent an email to Mr.O'Dwyer. If he has a connection and is not to busy collecting water from his pool to make his toilet flush, perhaps he will join the discussion. If so, I hope the discussion is still going. It is my understanding that with him in the mix, this issue will not be going away. It will not be forgotten as a mistake in judgement.

This is an extremely important issue, and if the allegations are true, they have the potential to be a seminal point in history. One way or the other. There are those who will act, not just posture. Thus, I want facts, not rumors, conjecture and opinion.

This is what is at stake:
As the sun set, the men had hurriedly chained up the cast-iron fence and locked themselves into the 10,000-square-foot, gray-green Greek Revival mansion for the night. Three dogs, three handguns and five shotguns kept them company............
Crouch and his friend Guzman, a high-end housing contractor and a neighbor, have been living here for the past 10 days, among the few thousand people who have refused to leave the city despite a mandatory evacuation order. They are standing guard in one of New Orleans's wealthiest areas over their own homes and those of about 30 neighbors who fled town. The lights from their generator cast an eerie glow on a part of the city that is otherwise pitch black after dusk............
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I just hope I see Mr.O'Dwyer again, living and breathing and not laid out on some slab. I share his sentiments.
 
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RickD-
Yup, I do have a "dog in this fight". It's called balance and benefit of the doubt
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Then stop throwing out red herrings such as M16 vs AR15.

You are busy wanting to control the debate that you are disallowing others to debate on matters that concern them. You want to raise the bar to the point of finding a signed document from the Governor. While that might be a lofty goal there are others here think that is a waste of time given the videos and the citations posted here.

They ARE making statements which threaten the RBKA. They ARE writing down serial numbers. They ARE confiscating weapons. Golly, they sometimes even give them back.

You are controling this forum like some disconnected anal-retentive mid-level FEMA bureaucrat.

Very strange behavior from you.

Rick
 
You are controling this forum like some disconnected anal-retentive mid-level FEMA bureaucrat.
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Ouch, that really cut to the quick. I'll live with it. You, on the other hand, have a couple of choices here.
First Choice: Stick the the discussions at hand. If you have a problem with the way I run this site, Post something constructive in the Suggestions Forum.

Second Choice: Stick the the discussions at hand. If you have a problem with the way I run this site, Post something constructive in the Suggestions Forum.

;)

This discussion IS important and I have left several threads on the subject open. But they will have to progress in orderly fashion or they'll be closed. Simple enough?
Rich
 
There does not appear to be wholesale gun confiscation going on now, nor does there appear to have been wholesale confiscations over the past couple of days - based upon what was previously reported, and based upon what is not being reported now.

It does appear that on Thursday and Friday there were guns confiscated. To what extent is hard to determine from the reports, they are short on specifics. On Saturday and Sunday, I can find no further reports of confiscations.

While condemning the illegal confiscation of firearms, I can see how it could happen, given the Mayor's announcement, confused chain of command, poor communications, and the possibility that some of the LE and NG personnel may have thought it good common sense to remove firearms from houses that had just been evacuated, so that those firearms wouldn't be stolen and used against them later - this is speculation on my part of course, but seems like reasonable speculation to me.....
 
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