JPFO Alert on New Orleans

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http://www.jpfo.org/alert20050909.htm

September 9, 2005

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH, DON'T READ THIS ALERT!

"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts..."

It sounds like a headline from _Unintended Consequences_. But it's happening now -- today -- in New Orleans. Law enforcement officials are confiscating the legally-owned firearms from law-abiding citizens without due process, without warrants, and without cause, leaving their owners utterly defenseleses and at the mercy of looters and thugs.

According to an article in the New York Times (http://tinyurl.com/9ot44), the police superintendent P. Edwin Compass III decreed that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry firearms of any kind, even if they possess permits to do so. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

(Well, not quite. The New Orleans police department will not be confiscating the weapons of private security personnel, guaranteeing that only those wealthy enough to afford a private bodyguard can be assured of protection).

Second Amendment advocates have long warned that such confiscations would undoubtedly occur in the event of major catastrophe. That they were right is not a surprise. Sadly, neither is the fact that few gun owners have resisted the confiscations.

Over the years, Americans have become increasingly ignorant about what rights they really have. Inalienable, individual rights have given way to "junk rights" -- privileges to be granted or withheld at the whim of the government. So if the government demands that they give up their guns, it's only natural that they should comply. The police officers and soldiers who are confiscating the firearms are either equally ignorant about citizens' rights ... or _simply don't care_ about following unConstitutional orders.

We've stated repeatedly that we must restore a Bill of Rights culture in this country. Until the populace knows all of its rights _and insist those rights be respected_ , the "brown-shirting" now in New Orleans will only get worse.

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We MUST educate our fellow citizens about the Bill of Rights, or what's happening in New Orleans today probably will happen in your town tomorrow.

Wanna bet the brownshirts aren't lusting to do it?

- The Liberty Crew
 
Bastards! :mad:
This country is heading down the road to civil war because of this kind of official behavior.It will be the liberals fault.Of course then again I would have been smart enough to get out of the city with as much stuff as I could haul before all this happened.
 
JPFO may get my money (which is currently going to the NRA) if the NRA doesn't step up to the plate real soon.
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I'm joining up as soon as I get paid again!!! ;)

JPFO membership is only $20/year as opposed to , what is it now, $35 for the UNRA (Useless National Rifle Association)!!!!!

www.jpfo.org
 
Uh, the National Guard commander has said that his troops won't be enforcing that order, and that it's a law enforcement issue.

The door-kickers I saw on TV were all law enforcement...although it's pretty sad that you can't even tell the difference between cop and 82nd Airborne trooper at first glance anymore.
 
And this is the NRA's pitiful response from the
NRAILA website as of yesterday (Friday 9/8)
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1731


NRA-ILA Comments On Situation In New Orleans

Friday, September 09, 2005

Numerous media sources are reporting on a campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city. Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others--the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal. And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe. Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones. This is especially true when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help. At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux. But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly. In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster.

I'll be letting them know I may have to rethink my Life membership status.
 
Dateline Friday Sept 9
Corpses, guns found in New Orleans homes

BY DON BABWIN


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


NEW ORLEANS -- Soldiers and police confiscated guns from homeowners as they went house to house, trying to clear the shattered city of holdouts because of the danger of disease and fire. Police on Friday also marked homes with corpses inside, with plans to return later.

As many as 10,000 people were believed to be stubbornly staying put in the city, despite Katrina's filthy, corpse-strewn floodwaters and orders from Mayor Ray Nagin earlier this week to leave or be removed by force. By midmorning, though, there were no immediate reports of anyone being taken out forcibly, police said.
Police are "not going to do that until we absolutely have to. We really don't want to do that at all," Deputy Chief Warren Riley said.

Some residents who had previously refused to leave — whether because they wanted to protect their homes from looters, they did not want to leave their pets behind, or they simply feared the unknown — are now changing their minds and asking to be rescued, police said.

"They realize they're not going to this awful situation like the Superdome or the Convention Center," Riley said. "As days go by, it seems less and less likely that we'll have to force anyone."

He added: "I don't know of any incidents where people are being belligerent."

Some residents said they left under extreme pressure.

"They were all insisting that I had to leave my home," said Shelia Dalferes, who said she had 15 minutes to pack before she and her husband were evacuated. "The implication was there with their plastic handcuffs on their belt. Who wants to go out like that?"
Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Jason Rule said his crew pulled 18 people from their homes Thursday. He said some of the holdouts did not want to leave unless they could take their pets.

"It's getting to the point where they're delirious," Rule said. "A couple of them don't know who they were. They think the water will go down in a few days."

Police and soldiers also seized numerous guns for fear of confrontations with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters.
"No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said.
On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being Continued1 | 2 | 3 | Next >>
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The rest of this article can be found at:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050909/BREAKING/50909004
 
Butch-
Well that's certainly a credible source. At a time when reporters, on the scene, were reporting that the Death Toll was orders of magnitude less than had been predicted, your Herald Tribune reports, in YOUR cited article:
Decaying corpses in the floodwaters could pose problems for engineers who are desperately trying to pump the city dry. While 37 of the 174 pumps in the New Orleans area were working and 17 portable pumps were in place Thursday, officials said the mammoth undertaking could be complicated by corpses getting clogged in the pumps.
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Ummm, it's not Thursday anymore....it's nearly Sunday. Almost looks as though they were reporting THURSDAY'S Press Releases as FRIDAY'S news. But, then, perhaps ABC, FOX, CNN, NBC, BBC and Al Jazeera are all remaining mute on the subject of these "confiscations" and "corpses in the pumps".


Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
Bertrand Russell
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Rich
 
Rich: I am certainly no fan of the media - if you read back on my previous posts you will find that I mistrust them all, all the time. But, they are what we have.....

The article is dated last Friday, which makes it recent - it is Associated Press so it isn't some whacko unknown anonymous source, the Authors name, Don Babwin, is displayed at the top of the article.

So it would appear to me to be a somewhat reasonable assumption that maybe there is some truth in the article.

Decaying corpses in the floodwaters could pose problems for engineers who are desperately trying to pump the city dry. While 37 of the 174 pumps in the New Orleans area were working and 17 portable pumps were in place Thursday, officials said the mammoth undertaking could be complicated by corpses getting clogged in the pumps.
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Speculative and sensationilistic on his part, but he does say "could" twice. A careful reader will pick that speculative part up.
 
Butch-
I do know you as a reasonable man....usually.

The articled is dated Friday, referencing news from Thursday....that's what they call in Law Enforcement "a clue". Wednesday was the day the Mayor passed his hollow "edict" about "forcible evacs"....this article, taking Thursday's news, clearly recognizes that isn't happening, though some feel "pressured" because the Police have "cuffs" and all .

Thursday was also the day we all heard this Police Superintendent speak of confiscating weapons.....but, other than the Herald assumptions that this would be news by the time they went to press on Friday, we've seen no credible evidence that this is the running order of the day. By Friday night, we knew it wasn't happening.

Know what the cops and NG in NOLA are doing? You and I really don't even wanna think about it. They deserve a break from being spit in the face for some Brass Moron's "Edict" or some Desk Reporter Moron's "News".

How 'bout we give 'em that break until we hear REAL evidence that they're down there harassing citizens?
Rich
 
Rich, you may be right.

But, on Friday the reporter wrote
Police and soldiers also seized numerous guns for fear of confrontations with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters.
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in past tense that guns were seized. He is either lying, which is possible, or he was reporting, which is possible. Frankly I don't know which, but the potential downside for lying would not seem to justify the act, so it is reasonable to assume, without having evidence to the contrary, that he is telling the truth. For now.

Corroboration would be good.
 
What with me being a dumb hillbilly and all' did'nt really know what to make of this thread.
So i started looking over several different news sources. I highly recommend it to all.
MSNBC is a good start
 
JPFO may get my money (which is currently going to the NRA) if the NRA doesn't step up to the plate real soon.
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I'm trying to make up my mind as to which way to go, if the NRA doesn't step up I'm finshed with them and will make sure to point out their failure to anyone who asks about joining the NRA.
 
These are just a few of the interesting bits from this article - url listed below.

New Orleans Sweep Reveals Fewer Dead
Saturday, September 10, 2005
Associated Press

Still, thousands of stubborn holdouts were believed to be staying put in the city.

"There are still quite a few still holed up in their homes," said Oklahoma Army National Guard Brig. Gen. Myles L. Deering. "We'll continue to check on them to make sure they're OK and try to encourage them to leave."

There were no widespread reports of anyone being taken out by force under a three-day-old order from the mayor, and there were growing indications that that was little more than an empty threat.
"We're trying our best to persuasively negotiate and we are not using force at this time — I cannot speak to the future," said city attorney Sherry Landry.

Police fearing deadly confrontations with jittery residents enforced a new order that bars homeowners from owning guns. That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners.

Meanwhile, the floodwaters continued to recede, with about three dozen of the 174 pumps in the area working and an additional 17 portable pumps in place. About 350,000 people in the New Orleans area were still without electricity, but utilities said some power has been restored to the central business district.

Authorities said the airport will reopen to commercial flights Sept. 19. And a $30.9 million contract was signed to rebuild the Interstate 10 bridge over Lake Pontchartrain (search) that sustained major hurricane damage.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168993,00.html
 
The NRA has made a statement bout the NO article......they said they are watching the situation....

I beleive there could have been some incidents....but I see no proof of widespread incidents.
 
These are just a few of the interesting bits from this article - url listed below. This is beginning to seem to me that some guns had been confiscated (maybe in an excess of zeal) but that it ceased pretty quickly. That would explain why there are references from Friday, and the apparent lack of new references being reported currently.

New Orleans Sweep Reveals Fewer Dead
Saturday, September 10, 2005
Associated Press

Still, thousands of stubborn holdouts were believed to be staying put in the city.

"There are still quite a few still holed up in their homes," said Oklahoma Army National Guard Brig. Gen. Myles L. Deering. "We'll continue to check on them to make sure they're OK and try to encourage them to leave."

There were no widespread reports of anyone being taken out by force under a three-day-old order from the mayor, and there were growing indications that that was little more than an empty threat.
"We're trying our best to persuasively negotiate and we are not using force at this time — I cannot speak to the future," said city attorney Sherry Landry.

Police fearing deadly confrontations with jittery residents enforced a new order that bars homeowners from owning guns. That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners.

Meanwhile, the floodwaters continued to recede, with about three dozen of the 174 pumps in the area working and an additional 17 portable pumps in place. About 350,000 people in the New Orleans area were still without electricity, but utilities said some power has been restored to the central business district.

Authorities said the airport will reopen to commercial flights Sept. 19. And a $30.9 million contract was signed to rebuild the Interstate 10 bridge over Lake Pontchartrain (search) that sustained major hurricane damage.
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That $30.9 million dollar contract that was already signed? That is very suspicious - there was most definitely no time to analyze what portions of the structure might still be useful, much less put the work out for a public bid. That smells, real bad. Sorry about getting OT there, but construction is what I do, and that smells real real bad.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168993,00.html
 
That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners.
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Hmmmmm. M-16's? Those are full auto and HIGHLY regulated. Could it be that the reporter is taking "liberties" with his ASS-umptions of what is really going on?

When the cops approach these M-16 wielding mercs, how do they go about it? Do they assume they must be "security" due to the wrap around sunglasses or immediately call in the SWAT Team....you'd think we'd have heard of a couple armed confrontations between the two forces by now.

Let's assume the cops have reason to give benefit of doubt to all the people with M-16's and they simply walk up to 'em and query 'em? How do they determine that they're dealing with "private security" and not just another homeowner? A special decoder ring? Private Eye badge? Would a laminated picture ID identifying you as Acme Security and Tree Trimming be enough?

Anyone who believes that cops, going thru what they are going thru in the S&R mission, are capable or even willing to make these distinctions in this situation is simply surfing too many blogs.
Rich
 
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