JP Sauer and Sohn 1930 Behorden?
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Just an update,
I exchanged my firing pin at Numrich with one that now fits in my bolt. It still needs to have the slot ground/cut out of it, and the tip needs to be brought down a hair, but otherwise, a MUCH better fit. Only thing that will definitely be different is that it does not have that little step at the front of the catch on the back of the pin (I attached a picture of what I mean). Martin, do you know if that little step needs to be there for the gun to function correctly?
Thanks,
Billy
Just an update,
I exchanged my firing pin at Numrich with one that now fits in my bolt. It still needs to have the slot ground/cut out of it, and the tip needs to be brought down a hair, but otherwise, a MUCH better fit. Only thing that will definitely be different is that it does not have that little step at the front of the catch on the back of the pin (I attached a picture of what I mean). Martin, do you know if that little step needs to be there for the gun to function correctly?
Thanks,
Billy
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Thanks Martin, I'll play with it and see if it looks like anything should be interacting with it.
Another thing. The tip of my firing pin is a hair too large for the hole in the bolt. Rather than bringing down the tip of the firing pin, does it make sense to you to just drill the hole in the bolt a little bigger? I've heard that the firing pins can break fairly easily, and it seems like keeping it a little bit extra thick might help?
Thank again,
Billy
Another thing. The tip of my firing pin is a hair too large for the hole in the bolt. Rather than bringing down the tip of the firing pin, does it make sense to you to just drill the hole in the bolt a little bigger? I've heard that the firing pins can break fairly easily, and it seems like keeping it a little bit extra thick might help?
Thank again,
Billy
mapsjanhere
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That would be an irreversible change to the gun, hurting it's collector value. It's easy to do to make it shoot, but a stickler will notice and consider it bubba'd.
Ok thanks guys. My coworker friend now has the gun and says it will fire when he gives it back to me. Last I talked to him, he brought down the tip of the pin to fit the hole. Next will be cutting the slot. Then a cleaning and lubing, And THEN... hopefully a bang! Couldn't have gotten close to this far without your help Martin!
Hello,
I have got the Sauer 1913 model with number 132xxx. It was founded in Preussen territory (Memelland) and this gun is in very bad shape, it does not work. There is regular signs "Crown/N" , J.P. SAUER & SON, SUHL, PATENT - thats all. I'm interesting - what the year it can be made?
But I'v got the inspiration to buy the Sauer like this one and found similar one in Germany witch number 62xxx - what the year it can be made to?
Thanks
I have got the Sauer 1913 model with number 132xxx. It was founded in Preussen territory (Memelland) and this gun is in very bad shape, it does not work. There is regular signs "Crown/N" , J.P. SAUER & SON, SUHL, PATENT - thats all. I'm interesting - what the year it can be made?
But I'v got the inspiration to buy the Sauer like this one and found similar one in Germany witch number 62xxx - what the year it can be made to?
Thanks
Hi Jeremias,
it isn't easy to date a Sauer 1913, as there are no records at the Suhl Archive ragarding production figures/years. Based on observations, I'd date a 132xxx SN with app. 1922 to 1924.
A SN 62xxx was made during WWI and will have been made in 1916/17.
Regards
Martin
it isn't easy to date a Sauer 1913, as there are no records at the Suhl Archive ragarding production figures/years. Based on observations, I'd date a 132xxx SN with app. 1922 to 1924.
A SN 62xxx was made during WWI and will have been made in 1916/17.
Regards
Martin
JP Sauer & Sohn 7.65
I have what appears to be the Mdl 30, no slide lock in the trigger guard, it is on the left side of the frame and locks into the slide when it is pulled back also doubles as a safety. the serial number is stamped on the right rear 199XXX Crown with and "N"under it on the end cap. The firing pin has been replaced and did not work, hanging up on the cartridge in the magazine after the first shot. Looking at it I found that whoever made the firing pin made it too short, so now I am looking for a proper firing pin. No Slots in the pin. a new trigger spring woul be nice as well as the original has a couple of coils broken. Other than that it is in excellent shape. Can anyone here point me in the right direction for the parts and perhaps give me a little background on the item. My father took it off a German Office in WWII, but there are no German markings on it. Any help appreciated.
I have what appears to be the Mdl 30, no slide lock in the trigger guard, it is on the left side of the frame and locks into the slide when it is pulled back also doubles as a safety. the serial number is stamped on the right rear 199XXX Crown with and "N"under it on the end cap. The firing pin has been replaced and did not work, hanging up on the cartridge in the magazine after the first shot. Looking at it I found that whoever made the firing pin made it too short, so now I am looking for a proper firing pin. No Slots in the pin. a new trigger spring woul be nice as well as the original has a couple of coils broken. Other than that it is in excellent shape. Can anyone here point me in the right direction for the parts and perhaps give me a little background on the item. My father took it off a German Office in WWII, but there are no German markings on it. Any help appreciated.
i just replaced a 1913 sauer i sold 20 years ago. it is mostly complete and despite looking rough, seems to in ok shape
the only missing items is grips and firing pin, (it has one but it was ground down)
#126XXX
any help in parts or year of manufacturer would be great.
i plan on getting it re-blued...sometime.
the only missing items is grips and firing pin, (it has one but it was ground down)
#126XXX
any help in parts or year of manufacturer would be great.
i plan on getting it re-blued...sometime.
Kevinofborg
Inactive
Sauer Model 1930
Thanks Martin.
Your pictures helped me ID my pistol as a Sauer & Sohn Model 1930 and not the Borhorden. My is S/N 195XXX. Any idea when it was made? Are there any production totals of the 1930 vs. the 1930 BM? It looks to be complete but may have had some work in the the front sight is not the round 1/2 moon but a very small shark fin. The Mag is also not marked and looks to have been made by cutting a longer one down. If it was not for this tread I would not have figured it out.
Thanks
Kevin
Thanks Martin.
Your pictures helped me ID my pistol as a Sauer & Sohn Model 1930 and not the Borhorden. My is S/N 195XXX. Any idea when it was made? Are there any production totals of the 1930 vs. the 1930 BM? It looks to be complete but may have had some work in the the front sight is not the round 1/2 moon but a very small shark fin. The Mag is also not marked and looks to have been made by cutting a longer one down. If it was not for this tread I would not have figured it out.
Thanks
Kevin
Kevinofborg
Inactive
archiesdad
Inactive
Behorden
I am looking to purchase a Behorden model. If anyone can give me a lead, I wold be most appreciative.
I am looking to purchase a Behorden model. If anyone can give me a lead, I wold be most appreciative.
Low serial Behördenmodell?
Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. I am pretty certain that what I have is a Behördenmodell with a relatively low serial number. Curious as to where these lower serial number guns were distributed. I inherited a garage full of tools and in one of the lock boxes was the gun with holster and 1 magazine. The serial number on it is 200175. It is in good shape and I can gladly post pictures.
Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. I am pretty certain that what I have is a Behördenmodell with a relatively low serial number. Curious as to where these lower serial number guns were distributed. I inherited a garage full of tools and in one of the lock boxes was the gun with holster and 1 magazine. The serial number on it is 200175. It is in good shape and I can gladly post pictures.