Jolly old England.... It's all so clear now.
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CMOS,
You read my mind brother.
What did you expect from the same group that declared that there was no evidence of hostile fire into, or from, the Davidian Church, not Compound, as labeled by Pravda.
Say CMOS, are you static sensitive?
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
[This message has been edited by Donny (edited May 12, 2000).]
You read my mind brother.
What did you expect from the same group that declared that there was no evidence of hostile fire into, or from, the Davidian Church, not Compound, as labeled by Pravda.
Say CMOS, are you static sensitive?
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
[This message has been edited by Donny (edited May 12, 2000).]
Nancy Siebern
New member
Eb, last September we all tried to overload Echelon by emailing everyone we know a list containing those red flag words. But I never heard if it worked or was just an annoyance. If it did work they will never tell us because then they have to admit they are doing it to us. This new UK law sounds like a way for them to make Echelon legal over there by going through the back door.
Speaking of Echelon, my friend and I often use those nasty "red-tagged" words in our conversations. We talk about Waco, guns and political state a lot anyway, so I'm sure that some toadie of Big Brother, with a set of headphones, has been listening in for quite a while now.
CMOS, you are definitely NOT the only one who feels that it will come down to revolt/bloodshed. I really think it'll happen, possibly not in my lifetime, but it scares the heck outta me. I don't want my kids to have to go thru that!
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"Liberty or death, What we so proudly hail... Once you provoke Her, rattling of Her tail- Never begins it, NEVER- But once engaged never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage. DON'T TREAD ON ME!!
"Many's the men who've battled foe
many the number slain,
many the lads have fallen though
Scotland shall rise again."
CMOS, you are definitely NOT the only one who feels that it will come down to revolt/bloodshed. I really think it'll happen, possibly not in my lifetime, but it scares the heck outta me. I don't want my kids to have to go thru that!
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"Liberty or death, What we so proudly hail... Once you provoke Her, rattling of Her tail- Never begins it, NEVER- But once engaged never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage. DON'T TREAD ON ME!!
"Many's the men who've battled foe
many the number slain,
many the lads have fallen though
Scotland shall rise again."
Dennis Olson
New member
Because you can't fight "the shop" and stay alive. The ACLU no doubt understands this fact.
To understand the English Communists:
They are actually not marxists - the marxists actually lost. The English and Australian communists are Fabians, basically the same-old minus the "class struggle" (e.g. prattling about the proletariat having to kill the burgeois).
There will be no revolt in England - most people support these things. As ultimately in the US.
Battler.
They are actually not marxists - the marxists actually lost. The English and Australian communists are Fabians, basically the same-old minus the "class struggle" (e.g. prattling about the proletariat having to kill the burgeois).
There will be no revolt in England - most people support these things. As ultimately in the US.
Battler.
Battler is the only one here who is near the mark. The British had a right wing government until 3 years ago, prior to that they had Conservative tyranny for 18 long years, years when the country almost erupted in open revolt against the policies being foisted upon them. A few pointers here :
1. The British population hate guns, there was overwhelming support for the ban on handguns.
2. The British like the current left wing government and they are almost certain to gain a second term of office. They have just voted a notorious left winger to office as Mayor of London, a powerful new post.
3. The British see Americans as stupid, overweight and gun crazy, with little knowledge of the world beyond their own borders. The recent spate of anti-British and often pro-American re-writes of history by Hollywood is doing nothing to change this view, witness Rob Roy, Braveheart and now "U-571" (I think) where the US is credited with obtaining the first Enigma cypher machine when in fact it was the British, and "The Patriot", which promises more anti-British War Of Independance propoganda with Mel Gibson slaughtering a thousand red coats who murder his family (sound familiar Braveheart fans).
They may be being led down the path of subjugation, but the point is, they like it and see us as the stupid oppressed race, and quite frankly on issues other than RKBA, they have a point.
Mike H
1. The British population hate guns, there was overwhelming support for the ban on handguns.
2. The British like the current left wing government and they are almost certain to gain a second term of office. They have just voted a notorious left winger to office as Mayor of London, a powerful new post.
3. The British see Americans as stupid, overweight and gun crazy, with little knowledge of the world beyond their own borders. The recent spate of anti-British and often pro-American re-writes of history by Hollywood is doing nothing to change this view, witness Rob Roy, Braveheart and now "U-571" (I think) where the US is credited with obtaining the first Enigma cypher machine when in fact it was the British, and "The Patriot", which promises more anti-British War Of Independance propoganda with Mel Gibson slaughtering a thousand red coats who murder his family (sound familiar Braveheart fans).
They may be being led down the path of subjugation, but the point is, they like it and see us as the stupid oppressed race, and quite frankly on issues other than RKBA, they have a point.
Mike H
About what you see as tyranny -
what the founding fathers, and most people, and the way history plays tyranny, is that there's a dictator/king in charge.
Pretty much all people despise THIS tyranny. However, it's for no particular reason other than not having another above them.
What even the founding fathers did not understand was communism - tyranny of the masses against themselves. Back then it was hard to imagine a person who would take freedom from himself, now that person is the majority (liberals).
What has become apparent to me was that, deep down in human nature, what annoyed people about a tyrant/king/dictator was not that he stamped on people, had them killed, stole from them, etc.; but that they themselves were jealous of that power, the power that the average person could not have.
In democratic socialism, each person gets to have a piece of that. For example, while the average gun-grabbing liberal also prohibits himself from the option of firearm ownership, he gets to taste a small share of the ecstacy, well-being and "taste of power" a dictator felt disarming his subjects.
Battler.
what the founding fathers, and most people, and the way history plays tyranny, is that there's a dictator/king in charge.
Pretty much all people despise THIS tyranny. However, it's for no particular reason other than not having another above them.
What even the founding fathers did not understand was communism - tyranny of the masses against themselves. Back then it was hard to imagine a person who would take freedom from himself, now that person is the majority (liberals).
What has become apparent to me was that, deep down in human nature, what annoyed people about a tyrant/king/dictator was not that he stamped on people, had them killed, stole from them, etc.; but that they themselves were jealous of that power, the power that the average person could not have.
In democratic socialism, each person gets to have a piece of that. For example, while the average gun-grabbing liberal also prohibits himself from the option of firearm ownership, he gets to taste a small share of the ecstacy, well-being and "taste of power" a dictator felt disarming his subjects.
Battler.
BTW - When Bruce said ABC, he meant AUSTRALIAN broadcasting corporation.
ABC is so pinko it makes PRAVDA (during the soviet/cold war days) look like Alan Keyes.
What scared the crap out of me was the young folk and JJJ radio - they somehow managed to get to the left of the ABC. . . . .
Battler.
ABC is so pinko it makes PRAVDA (during the soviet/cold war days) look like Alan Keyes.
What scared the crap out of me was the young folk and JJJ radio - they somehow managed to get to the left of the ABC. . . . .
Battler.