John McCain is 100% pro-2nd Amendment!!!

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All this McCain bashing is coming from his own party, because he had the audacity to challenge the anointing of the fair-haired "Junior", just because of an accident of birth, and some misguided feeling Georgie Sr. needs some kind of retribution for losing the '92 election!

I'd like to know, besides genes, what "Junior" has done to deserve to be elected President? It beats me! :eek:

If anybody saw how John McCain conducted himself during the fire aboard the USS Forrestal in 1967, they'd have a real hard time dissing the man!

You don't elect somebody just because he's a relative. :p

Cheese Man :mad:

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" IF YOU CAN'T HIT IT WITH SIX SHOTS, USE A CLUB!" :p

[This message has been edited by Cheese Man (edited February 22, 2000).]
 
I read the piece on McCain over a year ago. I have no idea if it is even partially true but I admit it is possible.

I have to contrast McCain's behavior with that of a member of my own family, also an aviator, who did die from a broken leg. He who was refused medical attention because he would not cooperate. After about a month of infection and fever and the loss of about sixty pounds he died a hero and John McCain had the opportunity to do the same.

I have no idea if McCain's decorations were earned before during or after his incarceration, but I do not see him as a hero.
I have been to Vietnam and I know many heroes. John McCain is not one of them.


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Better days to be,

Ed
 
Cheese Man
(because he had the audacity to challenge the anointing of the fair-haired "Junior")

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he is advocating democrats crossing over to vote IN THE PRIMARY for who should run on the republican ticket. (The general election is a different animal) If you can't see whats wrong with letting the democrats pick the republican presidential canidate then its not worth the time to educate you.
 
Alan, you make another good point. Doesn't it bother some of you folks that the media and some Democrats seem so enamored of McCain? And, Democrats voting for McCain in the Republican primary? The 'spin' is that he is 'appealing to all voters'. Really? C'mon - do you really buy this? Do you think the media and Democrats are going to continue their love affair with John after primaries? Talk about a market for Yuma, AZ beachfront property ... ;)

And, I really must laugh when people tell me that George W. just doesn't have enough government experience - being a Governor is apparently trumped by being a U.S. Senator?

I also doubt Bush is great for the RKBA, but I'm amazed that so many are so excited by McCain. An independent guy? Yeah, I suppose he is, if you think extorting money from tobacco companies is an attractive trait for an ostensibly conservative 'leader'.
 
To follow up on Jeff Thomas's post re: McCain and Democrats:

We had dinner the other night with my college roommate and his wife. She's a NY liberal feminazi from the git-go (drives my conservative Republican spouse, and me, nuts). She's going to vote in the Republican primary for McCain. Her voting in the Republican primary is totally mind-blowing.

My take on this phenomenon is that the Dems are so sick of their own party, they can't stomach it any more (I mean, Gore and Bradley? C'mon!}, so they going to try and ruin ours.

And I'm still voting for Keyes in the primary.

JimR
 
Hey CheeseMan, All those McCain basher's
can suck it up; as CNN Headline News is
projecting John to win Michigan and
Arizona!!! :) Hee, Haw!!! :D

Regards,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Right is still right, even if no one else agrees, and wrong is still wrong, even if everyone else agrees.

No John McCain for me. Can't argue with a Texas man who signs into law a CCW bill!

Tom



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A "Miss" is the ultimate overpenetration!
 
Anyone that holds any stock in the Clinton News Network will surely vote how they are TOLD to.
Yes, I did serve in the U.S.Army in the early eighties if that makes any difference.
I still think he's a puke and will do as much or more damage to this country than Klinton has.
 
Well, I'll wish the McCain lovers congrat's for winning. Especially for Michigan, where McCain won due to Democrat votes. Sleep soundly ... ;)
 
Desertscout unless you were a POW yourself I don't think that you have any right to criticize any action by any POW whether alledged, ficticious or real. How do you know what you would do in a similar situation? You don't know until you have been there.

If you don't agree with someones stand on the issues that is one thing, but to drag this type of trash around is really disgusting. I think that you should just shut the f**k up.
 
Chill, boys.....

Splitting RKBA folks on an emotional level is exactly how the Dems and liberals have won. These are the primaries, so keep it in perspective. Capishe?

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
McCaim was just on meet the press, when asked about Gun Control he responded by saying among other things, that Americans have the right to keep & bear "WEAPONS" He used the W word! Weapons!

The CC dosen't like him because he isn't rabid enough for their tastes & unlike Bush, he's not for sale. If McCain is the man to win in the general election & if he dosen't get the GOP nominiation it probably will mean 8 more years of Albert Gore.

BTW Speaking from personal experience, dont say "8 more years of Albert Gore" OUT LOUD, it might make you nauseous.

This message brought to you by a pro gun, morally conserviative, radical leftist.

"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.

Tony.


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Ditto what Theprisoner said.

Each party has its pluses and minuses, I applaud someone who has the integrity to support an idea based on its merits and not solely on peer pressure or votes. Of all the candidates, Mccain seems to have the most integrity and intellectual honesty. He gets my vote.

As for the other candidates, I can't support someone who is pro-life, pro-prayer in school, or anti-gay. Its a toss up between Gore and McCain. Which would I rather lose gun rights or abortion ? McCain has no chance in hell of repealing Roe vs Wade, nor do I think it his intention.
 
McCain votes

S 1241: (Vote on an amendment requiring a five business day waiting period before purchasing a handgun.) - NO
HR 1025: The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - NO
S 414: (Brady Bill/ Handgun Waiting Period);
Amendment - NO
S 1607: Amendment to ban certain semi-automatic assault weapons. - NO
S 1607: (Assault weapon ban) - YES
HR 3756: (Ban on guns within 1000 feet of school) - YES
S 2312: (Hi-cap magazine ban) - YES
S 2260: (prohibit charging gun owners a fee to cover the cost of a background check) - YES
S 2260: (gun lock requirement) - YES
S 254: (require all firearms sales at gun shows to have background checks performed and to allow the Attorney General to maintain records of gun sales for up to 90 days. ) - NO
S 254: (require special licensees at gun shows to conduct background checks on anyone purchasing a gun from them and to require pawnshops to conduct background checks on anyone redeeming their own gun.) - YES
S 254: (Vote to prohibit the sale or transfer of handguns unless accompanied by a secure gun storage or safety lock.) - YES
S 254: (require unlicensed gun vendors to conduct background checks on gun purchasers through a licensed vendor at gun shows.) - YES
S 254: (Vote to kill an amendment that would ban Internet websites that advertise to sell more than 10 guns unless the person operating the site is a licensed gun dealer.) - NO
S 254: (Vote to kill an amendment to require that all gun sales at gun shows be completed by federally licensed gun dealers. The amendment also requires background checks to be completed on buyers.) - YES
S 254: (Vote to kill an amendment that would ban possession and transfer of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition clips to juveniles. The amendment would also prohibit the importation of large capacity ammunition clips.) - YES
S 254: (Vote to allow private guns vendors to conduct voluntary background checks on gun purchasers at gun shows.) - YES
S 625: (Vote on an amendment to bar gun manufacturers from being released from their debts that were brought about by lawsuits charging fraud, negligence, recklessness or product liability.) - DID NOT VOTE

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"Freedom has always existed in a very percurious balance. And when buildings stop blowing up, people’s priorities tend to change..." Enemy of the State
 
MusclesMcGee says, "As for the other candidates, I can't support someone who is pro-life, pro-prayer in school, or anti-gay."

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In other words, you believe that each and every one of us had no RIGHT to life, until a HUMAN choice was made? Also, you seem to be operating under the illusion that FREEDOM can exist without a moral foundation. Wrong answer.

Anti-gay? Are you serious? This issue would weigh heavily in your voting?


And finally, the grand finale. You say, "Which would I rather lose gun rights or abortion ?" For you to even CONSIDER that question long enough to post it here tells me that you place too little value on the 2nd Amendment.

It appears that you haven't really studied American history, especially the 1st Amendment.

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Amendment I
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."

1. Words "separation of church and state" are not in the First Amendment.

2. The 90 founding fathers never mentioned even once during the framing of the First Amendment (June 7 - September 25, 1789) a "separation of church and state." (See Congressional Record.)

3. The same day Congress passed the First Amendment (Sept. 25, 1789); they approved a resolution requesting President George Washington to proclaim "...a day of public thanksgiving and prayer...."

4. Thomas Jefferson wrote this phrase, "thus building a wall of separation between church and State...." on January 1, 1802, (11 years after the First Amendment was ratified) in a private letter to the Danbury Baptist Association to assure them that the federal government could not and would not try to establish a national denomination. Jefferson was an ambassador in France during the time of the Constitutional Convention. However, while President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson was
also made president of the Washington, DC public school system in which he placed the Bible and the Isaac Watt's hymnal as the two primary reading texts! Jefferson's phrase was used only twice by the U.S. Supreme Court from 1802 to 1947; and it was not until 1947 (Everson case) that it was taken out of context and given a meaning never intended (first use was 1878 in Reynolds case).


"In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent
of the powers of the General [federal] Government."
(Thomas Jefferson, 1805, in his second Inaugural Address.)

"There is not a shadow of right in the general [federal] government to intermeddle with religion....This
subject is, for the honor of America, perfectly free and unshackled."
(The Writings of James Madison, Vol. 5, pp. 176, 132.)

5. Applies to Congress, not the states.

6. First English language Bible printed in America was by Congress in 1782 "for use of schools."

7. The founding fathers gave speeches, read from the Bible, and prayed at public school graduations.

8. The U.S. Capitol was used as a church building by the founding fathers.

9. Founding father judges had prayer in their court rooms with the jurors.

10. A view from the Washington Monument forms a perfect cross.


Northwest Ordinance
(requirements for statehood).
SECTION 13, ARTICLE III
"Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."
(Passed from July 17 - August 7, 1789; during the midst of the framing of the First Amendment, which was June 7 - September 25, 1789. Please note that the founding fathers used the word religion to mean Christianity.)


AHM1776

"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man towards God."
(Gouverneur Morris, 1792, Notes on the Form of a Constitution for France.)
Founding father who physically wrote the Constitution, and most active member of Constitutional Convention, spoke 173 times on the floor.
 
OK, here's the problem as I see it. McCains War record is and should be a private matter until HE opens his mouth, and then it is public domain and open to criticism. The problem is that he continually through enuendo has mentioned what a hero he is. Remember the " I've seen enough killing and I don't need a lecture from you" statement? If that isn't touting the Hero image I don't know what is.
Secondly, while I was in the Army 90-98, there were many unconstitutional adventures abroad. Some I played in and others I was fortunate to sit out. JOHN McCAIN voted to go to all of them or at least fund them. As a matter of fact, since he took public office in the Congress, he has NEVER voted against a single combat action. EVER. He's one of the biggest Hawks on the hill, and for somebody who "seen enough killing in my time", he sure has no respect for the lives of our servicemen which in my view makes him a hippocrite, a prick, and a coward. I'd would've rather spent the 7 months at home with my wife and newborn rather than defend the Bush family fortune in Saudi Arabia.
My Sergeant Major (Johnny J. Austin) said it best: "if Kuwait was sitting on the world's biggest pool of camel piss, do you think we'd be here now?" That war was about Oil, and the Bush's family is knee deep in oil money. James Baker and Richard Cheney are also into oil money. At least I know what that war was about. I still haven't figured out Bosnia or Haiti, or Somalia, or any of the others that McCain has voted to fund. What the hell, life is cheap isn't it? Especially when it isn't your life. I can't vote for Bush or McCain in good conscience so that leaves me Keyes in the Primary, and Browne in the General.
 
I say again.....Then why does he support anti-gun bills? Check the congressional records or the NRA voting files.
 
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