"Jam" Question

i agree. we are no longer friends. this made me that mad.

no i did not tell him it was compatible, this was his idiocy.

i was raised the same way overkill0084. i do everything the right way, no matter what anyone else does which is usually the wrong way and watch them get away with it. when i try to do something wrong i never get away with it, it just doesnt work for me...

i am wondering if you are right Hardcase. i would have loved to be there and recovered the bullet to have atleast some kind of additional understanding because from what i can see i dont believe there is a case lodged anywhere. thats what leads me to believe you may have something there. you say some kind of hardcore cleaner? also is it practical to purchase a tool for choke measurement for this one-time deal or can i pull an "autozone" and temporarily rent one somewhere? just curious. i dont have a lot of free time so i dont go places and hense wouldnt know these things =\

you have all been very helpful and i am very grateful for your previous and continued responses. thanks tfl. yall are awesome.
 
Dark Painter. I have a current thread about measuring the choke. Unless you have the tool, which is cost prohibitive, you can take your gun to have a smith mesure the choke or you can check the choke at the patterning board. If you are going to take your gun to a smith, anyway, then have him measure the choke. A smith charges by the hour and checking your gun and the choke may take no more than his minimum time; assuming there is a minimum.
 
thanks klaw, i was familiar with the 'smith charging/hr but had little idea on measuring choke or what the process entails. obviously never had to mess with choke on an m4' :p

what a headache this has all become. one day everythings fine, i do a so-called friend a favor expecting him to be intelligent and this is what i get. handful of headaches. **bangs head against the wall**

every time something goes wrong from me being nice i wonder if i should ever do something nice for someone again, but i guess im a glutton for punishment. i just keep on giving, and keep on getting crap back.

so thats pretty much it then huh? cant see a shell, so we believe it "coated" or "layered" my barrel with the exterior layer of the last traveling round huh. i can think of few crappier things to have happened to such a beautiful treasure :(

anyone know if this thing was rifled? hope if it was or something similar, it didnt screw that up. but chances are since it screwed up the inside anyways (that was determined when i found out what happened) how should i go about repairing it. undoubtedly it scraped up the inside pretty good anyways. just curious.
 
My guess, based on your description of the .410 cartridge only going in part way is that there is a significant ring of lead in the chamber that was the result of him firing the 45LC round. My guess also is that the .410 goes in about the length of the 45 case and stops.

My suggestion then, would be to disassemble the barrel from the action and go to work with some Shooter's Choice or other gun cleaning stuff that works on lead and scrub the chamber. For this part you'll only need to work on the last 3" of the barrel, just the chamber portion. It'll take a lot of soaking and scrubbing, maybe also putting a bore brush in there and spinning it around in the chamber after it's been soaked with the cleaning stuff. It may take a while but you should be able to get all the lead out of the chamber with some elbow grease.

The other component is to determine if the choke is ruined. One option is just to pattern it and see if it's acceptable; the other is to take it to a gunsmith and have it measured.

Good luck.
 
will do. priceless advice for a priceless relic.

worst case choke IS ruined... what are my options :confused:

that seems like... no... is, bad -- bad news.
i think i fear that most. thats my next problem if scrubbing allows a shell to chamber.

well, a-cleaning here i go.
 
Take it to a smith, have it fixed correctly, and present your 'friend' with the bill. I'd want a smith to check it out if it was mine.
 
anyone know if this thing was rifled? hope if it was or something similar, it didnt screw that up. but chances are since it screwed up the inside anyways (that was determined when i found out what happened) how should i go about repairing it. undoubtedly it scraped up the inside pretty good anyways. just curious.
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Rifled barrels don't have chokes in them and you do not have a model T because they didn't go that high. If you have the full choke you have one of the first variants and you might be looking at an F only obscured to look like a T. If you have the C-lect choke it is one of the second variants. To the best of my knowledge this shotgun never had a slug barrel for it. Just between you me and the neighbors dog cleaning will not help if something is cracked or broken, you need a good qualified gunsmith to determine that.

Variants
1.1 D
1.1.1 D-A
1.1.2 D-B
1.1.3 D-C
1.1.4 D-D
1.1.5 D-E
1.1.6 D-F
1.1.7 D-G
1.2 K
1.2.1 K-A
1.2.2 K-B
1.2.3 K-C
1.2.4 K-D
 
what a headache this has all become. one day everythings fine, i do a so-called friend a favor expecting him to be intelligent and this is what i get. handful of headaches. **bangs head against the wall**
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No favor goes unpunished.
 
correct me if I'm wrong but everything on the gun can be repaired or restored by a competent gunsmith?

find one, instruct him on what happened and what youd like done both chamber and choke, pay the man and submit the bill to your friend in small claims court. it's a hassle but he deserves it. if he won't be a man on his own accord, force him to.
 
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