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i own a Mossberg 183T .410 Full choke. a friend borrowed it for some weekend fun and returned it with the words "sorry, i ****ed it up"

i was mad as all hell as this was my fathers gun, and a favorite of mine.
i guess he spent either a .45 Auto or .45LC through it (he wouldnt say, he ran off rather quickly and sheepishly) and now compatible ammo will not load. it allows itself about... a 5th of the way into the chamber and abruptly stops. will not fully load a round. i dont see any brass and am quite puzzled as to why i cannot get compatible ammo to chamber. any advice or information would be greatly appreciated as i work what seems like more hours than there are in the day and dont currently have time to take it anywhere or even properly examine it. i barely had time to post this.

thank you all in advance.
 
Check the chamber and see if there is a ring about 1 inch or more into the chamber. If he put a .45 through it it may have a lead or carbon ring in the chamber.
Try using a 410 mop put some valve grinding compound on it and spin it around the chamber this should polish up the chamber and remove the fouling.Carefull this stuff cuts quickly, then the standard 410 should slide in.

Mace
 
HMM. best flashlight i own suggests no such thing but i could be mistaken. pretty much all options involve money huh? thats what i was afraid of. i havnt much except for a cleaning kit due the the fact i shoot so very often. there does appear to be something unusual about very slightly past the chamber, but i honestly cant say for sure. may just be where the barrel starts to choke. i have never experienced something this irritating... atleast my m4a1 was of less maintenance. peice of **** mossbergs....
 
"peice of **** mossbergs...."

First off, please keep your language to a dull roar. This is a family oriented site. Bypassing the language filters isn't acceptable.

Secondly, why are you blaming Mossberg for what you've already said was your "friend" ABUSING your property?

Would you blame Ford if your friend were to borrow your Mustang 5.8 and burn out the clutch by driving it in an abusive and stupid manner?

The fix might very well involve money, but it should involve your "friend's" money, not yours.
 
my bad mike, i apologize. havnt used a forum in many years, also had no idea we were such a family site. pardon my ignorance, and limited vocab.

curious to see what other suggestions arise. thanks guys.
 
I don't pretend to understand all of this, but it makes a big difference if it was .45 auto or .45 long colt. From what I see, the barrel pressure from firing a .45lc is dangerous in a .410. The Taurus is designed to take it.

If it was a .45 auto then you have another problem, from what I have read and assuming it to be correct, which is that the cartridge is rimless in the sense that the rim is the same size as the case and it will fit too deep into the chamber. In fact, it may fit so deep that the primer isn't ignited by the firing pin.

Then I wonder if your buddie was shooting .45 acp with a moon clip and if that would even work in a .410 chamber.

Take a look at http://smith-wessonforum.com/ammo/95808-410-45lc-45acp.html .

These guys on TFL will know much better, but I would hesitate to do anything and certainly not shoot that .410 until you find out what was being fired through it and the loads. The barrel may have been damaged from too high a pressure.
 
Take the barrel off and try to put a shell in the chamber. If it fits then you know there is something wrong with the action, not the chamber.
 
i have disassembled it and attempted to load a round but to no avail. the shell will not load but as previously mentioned only loads a small amount of the way leaving the bolt 3/4 open, it no longer closes. it will close without a round but not with. it acts like it is constricted or smaller diameter then the standard load.

also judging by the other firearms i know he owns i guesstimate it was either a federal .45 auto 230 grain fmj rn or a blazer .45 colt 200 gr jhp he attempted to pass through it. thanks again guys.
 
I think you need to "know" what it was and not guestimate. He may have fired something that he doesn't usually shoot. Also you say he attempted to pass it through. You need to know if he shot the .45 ammo. Are there any signs of barrel bulge?
 
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phone call confirms it was indeed the blazer .45 LC 200 Grain Jacket Hollow Point. he said it fired, the bullet left, but he was never able to repeat nor load the same round or a 3" .410 round.

he tried to get pissy with me going on about how his day at the range was ruined, fees and boxes of ammo wasted... all i could do was laugh. i only wish this was his weapon so that he would have to deal with it himself :D

oh well, im kinda having fun trying to figure this out anyways :p
 
I would bet dollars to donuts that there's a ring of lead and maybe a little copper at the end of the chamber where that .452 bullet met the .410 barrel. I'd start scrubbing. No, I'd have my buddy start scrubbing.

You might also want to measure your choke to see if it's still full.
 
Yeah he did what everyone else knows is not a possible practice and did some of the damage everyone says will happen if you shoot .45 stuff in a .410...

Blew up a fine heirloom shotgun that in my hands, my father's hand me down .410 bolt with adjustable choke held a cash value of $1,000 minimum!

Brent
 
If this a friend, I don't want to hear about your enemes.
If continued poking and prodding doesn't help, take to a smith and let him figure it out. You need to know if it's toast anyway.
Your "friend" needs to man up and pay for his stupidity. With a real friend with integrity, you shouldn't even need to ask. He would have brought it back to you fixed already. What kind of person does this stuff? I was raised "You broke it. You bought it."
 
damaged .410

This has to be one of the strangest threads by the OP I have seen.
With "friends" like this you don't need any enemies.

Is your "friend" so destitute he would not take responsibility to have the shotgun repaired? Returning a damaged, non-operating gun to a friend is frankly unacceptable.

If it is really a hand me down from your father, you need to take it to a gunsmith and have the problem solved. Until then, you will continue to stew about this. I suspect the repair will not be very expensive if it is a matter of "clearing"-reaming, something from the barrel.
 
I own the same gun and if anybody did that to mine he would be getting a bill directly from the gunsmith for repairs or a bill from me covering the cost of a replacement gun. Unless you are a gunsmith and it doesn't sound like it you should get that gun checked out by one toute suite instead of trying to chamber a round. If you did manage it and was tempted to fire it you might end up wearing parts of that gun and that would be a shame. Especially since they stopped making them 40 years ago.
 
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