Jacket rode up over holster at a Wedding, escorted out by five police officers
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The whole idea about gun control is to marginalize anyone who owns or carries, the gun is evil ready to jump out at any time and kill, media, public schools have taken this tactic for years, sadly it works.
Lose the girl find someone with similar ideas, you did nothing wrong other then a simple mistake see it as such and move on we're living in a new modern world of little common sense.
Lose the girl find someone with similar ideas, you did nothing wrong other then a simple mistake see it as such and move on we're living in a new modern world of little common sense.
Sounds like a bad deal all around and an unfortunate one as well.
I agree that a good moral to the story is to check, check, visually check your concealment.
An even better moral to the story, that I haven't seen mentioned, may be to get a shoulder rig for use with formal wear.
I agree that a good moral to the story is to check, check, visually check your concealment.
An even better moral to the story, that I haven't seen mentioned, may be to get a shoulder rig for use with formal wear.
I often wonder what will happen if the right person just happens to notice that I have a weapon in my possession at times myself. I obviously never flash anything or purposely let it be known but you never know when someone could notice and go off the deep end about it.
A good example was just the other day when I reached for my cell phone at my daughter's track meet and I just wondered what would happen if one of the overdramatic mothers noticed a weapon tucked away. I could just about promise ya that they would not consider that it was there for my child's, as well as their child's protection.
A good example was just the other day when I reached for my cell phone at my daughter's track meet and I just wondered what would happen if one of the overdramatic mothers noticed a weapon tucked away. I could just about promise ya that they would not consider that it was there for my child's, as well as their child's protection.
I can tell you what almost always happens.
They will almost never come talk to you about it, they will usually just call the cops straight away. As soon as they see you are armed they get all freaky, it sticks in their mind, they start to imagine every terrible scenario and it only takes about 3 to 5 minutes and they have decided that the best safe thing to do is call the cops and get them to sort it out. But they will almost never come talk to you first in a reasonable manner.
They will almost never come talk to you about it, they will usually just call the cops straight away. As soon as they see you are armed they get all freaky, it sticks in their mind, they start to imagine every terrible scenario and it only takes about 3 to 5 minutes and they have decided that the best safe thing to do is call the cops and get them to sort it out. But they will almost never come talk to you first in a reasonable manner.
ScottRiqui
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I can tell you that the few times I've carried openly, no one cared. Maybe it's because I'm a clean-cut, well-dressed middle-age white dude, but it's just never been a big deal. No drama or hysterics from anyone else, no "man with a gun" phone calls to the police - nothing.
Maybe it would have been different if I had a gold tooth and a Glock shoved into my waistband; I don't know. But I've simply never met the types of "nervous Nellies" I keep hearing about here.
Maybe it would have been different if I had a gold tooth and a Glock shoved into my waistband; I don't know. But I've simply never met the types of "nervous Nellies" I keep hearing about here.
buck460XVR
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I hope it wasn't a school track meet. Having been a high school hockey coach and ref, anyplace a school activity is being held, even if off school property and on public property, is considered "school grounds" during the event and the rules that apply for school grounds apply. This includes CWC.
It may also be that you openly carried in a state in which open carry is legal. Try it in a state where open carry is not legal. Try to obviously hide it when you see folks are looking, and do it someplace where a large group of people have assembled.
The girl may already be lost. What the OP did may seem like a simple mistake to you, but to her it may be a sign he is not the responsible person she thought he was. She may also cool down if the Groom's mother, her work associate, gets over it. Many times tho, being asked to go to a wedding with someone is a matter of convenience, not wanting to sit alone and not knowing anyone else there. It's not always about showing off a new boyfriend/girlfriend. The lack of common sense here did not start with the girl. If this is really the "deal breaker" on this relationship, then it was meant to be.
zincwarrior
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Actually if it were my wedding, I'd have had you escorted out as well, by others who were armed. If they don't know you, you're a threat. But like other's have noted, if I didn't know you, you wouldn't have been invited in the first place.
As noted, concealed means concealed. You messed up, move on and don't worry about. Look on the bright side, maybe this means less weddings for you to be dragged to. I'd count that as a win myself
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Strafer Gott
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The wedding was a formal one,
Her daddy had a white shotgun.
Your left right.
Step off lively, you dodged a bullet. You might have hurt your girlfriend's networking, definitely not good for business. It's best to sort out their priorities before committing, anyway.
C'est la vie.
Her daddy had a white shotgun.
Your left right.
Step off lively, you dodged a bullet. You might have hurt your girlfriend's networking, definitely not good for business. It's best to sort out their priorities before committing, anyway.
C'est la vie.
To Scott: maybe you're right, and if it helps I'm also a 40 year old clean cut white guy with a family. I also work for the federal govt (dept of defense) with security clearances so I must keep a clean record. But the average soccer mom doesn't know or even care what I do for a living. Most of ya'll know exactly the type of person I'm referring to when I mentioned the overdramatic moms.
Oh, and to Mr. Buck. For one, this was not a school related event. But on another note, I'm not sure what state you live in but the rules in Georgia for concealed carry on school properties or events are kind of a gray area. But that's for another thread all together.
I'm also not the kind of person that feels like I have to carry EVERY WHERE I go either.
Oh, and to Mr. Buck. For one, this was not a school related event. But on another note, I'm not sure what state you live in but the rules in Georgia for concealed carry on school properties or events are kind of a gray area. But that's for another thread all together.
I'm also not the kind of person that feels like I have to carry EVERY WHERE I go either.
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David White
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Maybe where you live but not where I'm from (and live).
I carry 24/7/365 everywhere at all times. There many many more like me than you obviously know about.
If I'm wearing pants, I'm armed... Period.
Oh, your girl will not call you back because when she asked you if you were carrying a gun, you lied to her and said no.
That and you embarrassed the heck out of her at a social gathering with people, or person, she worked with.
I guess I am confused here. You said that your "P7" was exposed during the event you attended.
Later you say that your "P7" was in your car.
Did you not bring the weapon, a P7M8 or P7M13, into the wedding? You said that the "Groom" told you it would not be allowed in the event building.
All and all, I hate to say it but I'm calling BS on his story. Too many inconsistencies with his follow up postings.
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I didn't get this from his account. I got that his gun was seen, people talked and the groom came and suggested he leave it outside. I understood that he did leave it out in the car, came back in, and when she asked if he had it he said no, cause he had put it in the car, and she asked if he had it before and he replied that he had made a mistake, (either letting it be seen or bringing it to begin with is unclear).
I didn't get that he lied to her.
I can't resist.
In Arizona, it just means your not being flashy. It's a common sense thing that I am hoping more of the country catches on to.
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zincwarrior
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In Texas, it means keeping it concealed. Since Texas has better barbeque, its naturally the correct way.
Seriously though, while an accident, that would have kept this situation from occurring.
My view, I wouldn't expect the Groom to be thinking clearly so I wouldn't put so much on his shoulders given the situation. But someone, (like the Bride's Father, it is his show in a way), should have come and spoke with the OP, "Some folks thought they saw a gun on you but no one we have talked to seems to know you ..."
Simple;
Who are you?
Are you packing?
And if i may ask, why?
If Dad don't like the answers please leave, if he is satisfied, enjoy the show.
Dad says, "Folks, it's all taken care of, everything is fine, let's have a wedding."
No one even has to waste their minutes on the 911 call.
Sometimes a man needs to step up and deal with an issue, and put it to bed one way or another.
Simple;
Who are you?
Are you packing?
And if i may ask, why?
If Dad don't like the answers please leave, if he is satisfied, enjoy the show.
Dad says, "Folks, it's all taken care of, everything is fine, let's have a wedding."
No one even has to waste their minutes on the 911 call.
Sometimes a man needs to step up and deal with an issue, and put it to bed one way or another.
zincwarrior
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On the flip side think about that just a hair. This is a stranger to the bridal party. The stranger has a gun. In today's age thats potentially very bad: psycho, ex husband, etc. etc.
If he was known to the party I don't think that would be an issue.
If he was known to the party I don't think that would be an issue.
I have ALOT of experience with weddings and I can certainly say that I would carry to one if it was legal. I think this is a good situation for pocket carrying a snub or perhaps one of those tuckable holsters. It would be rough to have to keep your jacket on the whole time. Also, based on what I've seen at weddings sending 5 police officers wasn't unreasonable. They didn't know the circumstances and once they got there it seems they were professional about it.
Very sound advice.
Very sound advice.
I think this was clear enough Zinc.
This says he is not a stranger, he is known, was invited, and is either being asked to leave his gun outside, or just being asked to leave. The problem as I am suggesting is that this "issue" wasn't handled, it was pawned off onto the cops. Now, instead of being a small thing, it's now an ugly spot on the event all because someone didn't just deal with it.
I did not lie to my date. After the groom said "I don't think they will let you take that in there," the P7 was promptly put into the vehicle. Her question to me was "do you have a gun?" and I said "no," because the P7 was now in the vehicle. She asked me if I had one earlier and I said "My mistake." The person that pulled her aside to talk to her must have said I "made a scene," and and all I did was mention my name to the groom and shake his hand.
Upon my return, the lady who wanted to know who invited me acted alarmed, this made me very uncomfortable. Hindsight, I think they already decided to make me leave shortly after they saw the P7/holster, and perhaps they wanted to see who I was with so they can be mad at them too along and bother the police with a 9/11 call. Also my fault for forgetting how worked up people get at weddings.
I wish they had asked me to leave right way, or that I made up some BS about arriving at the wrong church and left right after the conversation with the groom.
My previous positive experience with open carry and casual concealment falsely led me to believe that people in my city/state are not as uptight about firearms.
There is really not much to learn from this except that poor concealed carry habits from casual situations like getting an oil change can carry over to more important situations where complete concealment is crucial.
It is also important to practice concealment in a mirror and/or develop some technique with your hand or eyes to check that vests, shirts or jackets are not hanging or snagged on anything.
Lastly, it seems that few people see any value in open carry as a means to remove the brainwashed news media/television programming that "guns are bad and their owners too."
Upon my return, the lady who wanted to know who invited me acted alarmed, this made me very uncomfortable. Hindsight, I think they already decided to make me leave shortly after they saw the P7/holster, and perhaps they wanted to see who I was with so they can be mad at them too along and bother the police with a 9/11 call. Also my fault for forgetting how worked up people get at weddings.
I wish they had asked me to leave right way, or that I made up some BS about arriving at the wrong church and left right after the conversation with the groom.
My previous positive experience with open carry and casual concealment falsely led me to believe that people in my city/state are not as uptight about firearms.
There is really not much to learn from this except that poor concealed carry habits from casual situations like getting an oil change can carry over to more important situations where complete concealment is crucial.
It is also important to practice concealment in a mirror and/or develop some technique with your hand or eyes to check that vests, shirts or jackets are not hanging or snagged on anything.
Lastly, it seems that few people see any value in open carry as a means to remove the brainwashed news media/television programming that "guns are bad and their owners too."
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Had open carry in Arizona for quit some time and occasionally I see someone with a visibly holstered gun, usually the wild west types in boots, etc. I think some folks just look at them like they are an oddity, not like they are part of the real world of normal people.
Some I am sure have just accepted it which sounds good at first but I am not all that sure. Perhaps they just try to ignore it until such time as they get a chance to vote against it later on.
I am glad that Gov. Brewer and Arizona's Congress found it wise to allow concealed carry without the need for a permit. Anyone who can legally own a gun can carry concealed without any fuss at all as long as they stay considerate of shop keepers who don't want guns in their places, etc. It also means that their is no requirement to keep the gun actually concealed and thereby have an honest mistake like the OP's turn him into a criminal when no harm was intended or caused.
It's just unfortunate for several people that it wasn't handled better because it never had to get that far out of hand.
EDIT: And just to be clear, you don't see that many open carrying, and of course those who are carrying concealed are harder to spot still. So it's not like we have returned to the wild west and every man has a leg iron on his hip. But it does mean the real criminals must consider that they have no idea who has a gun or where because it's the ones they can't see that scare them the most.
Some I am sure have just accepted it which sounds good at first but I am not all that sure. Perhaps they just try to ignore it until such time as they get a chance to vote against it later on.
I am glad that Gov. Brewer and Arizona's Congress found it wise to allow concealed carry without the need for a permit. Anyone who can legally own a gun can carry concealed without any fuss at all as long as they stay considerate of shop keepers who don't want guns in their places, etc. It also means that their is no requirement to keep the gun actually concealed and thereby have an honest mistake like the OP's turn him into a criminal when no harm was intended or caused.
It's just unfortunate for several people that it wasn't handled better because it never had to get that far out of hand.
EDIT: And just to be clear, you don't see that many open carrying, and of course those who are carrying concealed are harder to spot still. So it's not like we have returned to the wild west and every man has a leg iron on his hip. But it does mean the real criminals must consider that they have no idea who has a gun or where because it's the ones they can't see that scare them the most.
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