It's started: NYT article on McCain

McCain is as corrupt as the day is long. If anyone thinks it's only the NYT that is going to publish his crimes, you'd better think again. McCain does, as someone pointed out, have a closet packed full of skeletons waiting to be aired.

His cozy relationship with lobbyists isn't the worst, either.

I say to the MSM, bring it on please. Folks need to know McCain much better than they do now, otherwise, they may vote for him.
 
McCain is as corrupt as the day is long. If anyone thinks it's only the NYT that is going to publish his crimes, you'd better think again. McCain does, as someone pointed out, have a closet packed full of skeletons waiting to be aired.

His cozy relationship with lobbyists isn't the worst, either.
That may very well be true. I am neither defending nor attacking McCain. But to trust the NYT to deliver credible information is a serious error in judgment.

Downplayed Hitler's Nazi genocide of Jews both before and during WWII.
Duranty's pro-Stalin articles that ignored Soviet attrocities.
Blathering on about human rights violations in Nicaragua and ignoring the same in Salvador and Guatamala.
Jayson Blair.
Judith Miller.
Joe Wilson.

Those are just the more-famous lowlights.

An attack-piece by a credible news source is one thing. An attack-piece from a biased and irresponsible rag is another.
 
Anyone that doesn't want to be crippled with more taxes and regulations, while losing more rights should vote for him. And I hope he commits the worst crime in human history by defeating the Democrat nominee.
 
Riiiight!

For years, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has railed against lobbyists and the influence of "special interests" in Washington, touting on his campaign Web site his fight against "the 'revolving door' by which lawmakers and other influential officials leave their posts and become lobbyists for the special interests they have aided."

But when McCain huddled with his closest advisers at his rustic Arizona cabin last weekend to map out his presidential campaign, virtually every one was part of the Washington lobbying culture he has long decried. His campaign manager, Rick Davis, co-founded a lobbying firm whose clients have included Verizon and SBC Telecommunications. His chief political adviser, Charles R. Black Jr., is chairman of one of Washington's lobbying powerhouses, BKSH and Associates, which has represented AT&T, Alcoa, JPMorgan and U.S. Airways.

Senior advisers Steve Schmidt and Mark McKinnon work for firms that have lobbied for Land O' Lakes, UST Public Affairs, Dell and Fannie Mae.
 
An attack-piece from a biased and irresponsible rag is another.

There is no doubt about it the NYT is the worst kind of left wing rag.

Its funny, but not ironic that they wrote glowingly of 'the maverick' McCain when he was opposing mainstream conservatives. Now that he is all but assured the nomination its hatchet job time.
 
That may be true for the NYT, but revealing McCain's true nature is something we should all applaud no matter who does it.

GOP Götterdämmerung

by Phil Duffy

William L. Shirer, in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, describes how "Hitler, his mission as world conqueror having failed, was determined to go down, like Wotan at Valhalla, in a holocaust of blood – not only the enemy’s but that of his own people." (see page 1100) Republican Party actions, including presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s recent decision to "stand aside," are reminiscent of those final days of Nazi Germany – full of denial, full of bravado, and absolutely lacking in any remorse for leading a nation toward destruction. Romney’s rationalization for his decision was, "If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror." So there it is for the numbies, that fateful decision between capitulation to the enemy or rallying behind a man who has publicly proclaimed that the war in Vietnam was lost simply because the American people were too weak-willed to engage in all-out war.

Romney states that his fear is that either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama might be elected, implying that would lead to US forces being removed from Iraq. How unthinkable!

Perhaps Romney need not have been concerned. Clinton voted to put those troops there in the first place, and on any given day she might again be willing to go for yet another ‘surge’. Obama seems to have taken a stronger position against the war in Iraq, at least until it came time to fund that war, at which time he was glad to give his support to this ‘worthy’ cause. One need not worry that we would run out of enemies, since Clinton, Obama and McCain all agree on sanctions against Iran, and none has ruled out military action against that nation.

The media pundits have been quick to look for withdrawal reasons other than the candidate’s ‘patriotism’. Howard Fineman of Newsweek proclaims that if Romney had been himself instead of somebody he felt the voters would buy, he might have been more successful. In Fineman’s words, Romney "was a Republican of an old moderate school – that of his own father – and, like George W. Bush, Romney the Younger decided that he had to jettison all that he was to become something that he was not." Some of us remember ‘Republican moderates’ – people like Nelson Rockefeller who turned traitor when he couldn’t get his way at the Republican Convention in 1964, effectively torpedoing Barry Goldwater’s chance for the presidency.

Could it be that Romney bailed out early when he realized that he and McCain were Bush-alikes and there wasn’t room for two Bush-alikes in the Republican campaign, much less three (your turn next, Huckabee).

So according to the pundits, it is now a race between either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama on the Democratic side and McCain on the Republican side. As a media-moderated personality contest, this is shaping up to be one of the more revolting campaigns, reminding us of a chapter in Friedrich von Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom called, "Why the Worst Get on Top." Thanks to mini-minded, self-promoting politicians, both Republican and Democratic, voters will not find it necessary to make a choice in November on the following issues according to 2008 Presidential Election Candidates on the Issues:

* Homeland Security/Patriot Act – All agree that individual liberty should be sacrificed.
* Immigration/ Citizen Path for Illegals – All agree that illegals should be given an easy path to citizenship.
* Iran Sanctions – All agree.
* Military Options against Iran – All agree.

Pro-life supporters have a dismal outlook. Even if successful in November 2008, McCain is as unlikely to truly oppose Roe v. Wade as his Republican predecessors were. His position on embryonic stem cells coincides with Clinton and Obama. He is only more likely to appoint pro-life Supreme Court justices than the Democrats.

If the voter is totally confused by all of this, perhaps it is best to concentrate on universal health care. Either Democratic candidate will promote it, and McCain is opposed. But none of the three candidates has any experience in health care or in economics, so any discussion on this subject is likely to be the blind leading the blind. That will be helpful to the Democrats because a candidate who knew health care or economics could make this an interesting contest.

Today all of the attention is on the presidential candidates, but as November gets closer, the Republican Party is likely to panic over the expected presidential election outcome and what that means for Congressional seats. With the majority of the American people turned off by the extended war in Iraq, and by the Bush Administration’s lies that got us into that mess, Election 2008 is not likely to be more favorable to a Republican candidate who is even more hawkish than George W. Bush. Election 2006 demonstrated pretty clearly what voter sentiments were, but the Republican faithful found ways to ignore that reality. So the most likely outcome in 2008 is that Democrats will secure both houses of Congress and the presidency. That means that universal health care could be a slam-dunk.

The only scenario standing in the way of the above doleful prediction is a miracle campaign run by Ron Paul, a campaign that lasts at least until the Republican National Convention. However, it would take an amazing amount of education to reach the ordinary voter in time, and it would be necessary for the near-conspiracy of the media to shatter before Dr. Paul’s message could reach voters. Those are, frankly, very long odds.

Quo Vadis, GOP?

The Republican Party, formed on the respectable anti-slavery principle and campaigning on the slogan "Free soil, free speech and Fremont" in 1856, had by 1860, "lost the first flush of radicalism, and was beginning that evolution to the right which made it eventually the party of big business and finance." (See Samuel Eliot Morison’s The Oxford History of the American People, page 602.) The party has since attempted to balance principle and practical politics, with the former gradually losing ground until principle’s spectacular capitulation during the presidency of George W. Bush. How can such a party be encouraged to return to principle?

It is probably not practical to create a new image much less a new substance for the GOP. The party is not likely to vanish from the American scene in the short-run, but it has become increasingly irrelevant to voters. As weak as the Democratic program is, Democrats will overwhelm a McCain-led Republican ticket in November 2008.

For many that might sound like a call for Ron Paul to again run for the presidency on an independent ticket. That would be counter-productive for the cause of liberty and life. In 1992, Ross Perot gained 19% of the vote, a high-water mark for an independent. Embittered Republicans only remember that had those votes gone to George Bush, Senior, we never would have had the first Clinton presidency. They completely forget that Perot supporters abandoned Bush Senior only after his "No new taxes, read my lips!" slogan turned into "New taxes, read my hips!" once he was elected. It would be a huge mistake for Ron Paul and his loyal supporters to give establishment Republicans another lame excuse for leading the Republican Party, and America, toward disaster.

On the other hand, few supporters of Dr. Paul will be able to check their consciences at the door and vote for McCain, Clinton or Obama.

After the Deluge, What Then?

The educational effort, which kicked into high gear with Dr. Paul’s candidacy, will continue. The disastrous policies of both of the major parties should plow the soil of the American political mind, making it more receptive to the truly conservative principles Dr. Paul has promoted. There is no point in attempting to work within the old Republican Party, which is morally bankrupt and beyond repair. Post-election 2008 is the right time to create a new party, one offering, at the same time, a fresh approach and yet a return to the principles of this nation’s founding. We need to build on a new political foundation, to attract new people, both young and old, and develop our own leadership rather than have to beg for a spot at the table of the corrupt. We should remember that even Hitler’s Götterdämmerung did not destroy the German nation. Its people soon were enjoying the benefits of the Economic Miracle, and both political and economic freedom.

February 21, 2008
Attribution
 
Anyone who values their freedom of speech should not vote for McCain. He has already shown his contempt for the "little people" with the McCain-Fiengold act. McCain is a liberal democrat dressed up like a moderate republican. McCain has been embraced up until now by the MSM because he's the most left wing of the republicans and more importantly he has whole graveyards in his closet. Now that he's just about locked up the nomination the MSM will start digging them up, or rather publishing what they've known all along, so they can destroy him and help their chosen one, Obama. Do you really think the Times or any other paper has anything new about McCain that they couldn't have printed 6 months ago? Do you think that if they had printed the questionable stuff 6 months ago it might have made a difference in McCain's ability to get the nomination and that the nomination might instead have gone to someone much more credible and tougher to knock down?

If McCain is the nominee I have half a mind to vote for Obama. I seriously don't think he'd be that much worse than McCain. At least he isn't owned by quite so many people and I think either of them in office will just speed us down the road to collapse we are already on. I'll be writing in Ron Paul since he's the only candidate who seems to have read and understood the Constitution. I need only refer to the previously mentioned M-F act to illustrate John McCain's lack of reading comprehension ability. I will NEVER vote for the lesser of two evils again. I have done that in the past and what I have gotten as a result is Bush and now McCain as nominees. I will vote for the man that I believe can do the job.
 
I'll be writing in Ron Paul since he's the only candidate who seems to have read and understood the Constitution.
You do have the right to throw your vote away or engage in political masterbation but how did McCain/Feingold limit your freedom of speech?
That may be true for the NYT, but revealing McCain's true nature is something we should all applaud no matter who does it.
You are already down to posting articles about the Third Reich?

Is there a way to block a poster on this forum?
 
That may be true for the NYT, but revealing McCain's true nature is something we should all applaud no matter who does it.
I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree. For me, it's highly important that "who does it" has a reputation for honesty and integrity. Otherwise, the information is unreliable, and unreliable information is useless.

Trusting in an untrustworthy source is simply believing what you want to hear and disbelieving what you don't want to hear, neither of which is seeking the truth.
 
I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree. For me, it's highly important that "who does it" has a reputation for honesty and integrity. Otherwise, the information is unreliable, and unreliable information is useless.

Trusting in an untrustworthy source is simply believing what you want to hear and disbelieving what you don't want to hear, neither of which is seeking the truth.

Are there any trustworthy sources left?
 
credability factor

one side John McCain's denial; other side the NYT article by three writers.

The credibility factor is the prize in this contest.

When the Clinton issue came to light conservatives could not wait to scream at the top of their lungs about his misdoings. (and yes he was shown to be wrong in the end.) McCain gets accused of similar behaviour and conservative immediately refuse to accept the possibility McCain had a affair. Seems like standards of behaviour are tied to the political beliefs of the judge more than facts presented.

I doubt there will be congressional hearing over McCain in this issue. At least we wont have to listen to that endless dribble of Senators again on the morals issue.

Personaly I don't care who sleeps with who regardless of party affiliation or office held. When above all else that is taking place in the country this crap overviews the rest of the issues voters have lost sight of the goal; we will be issuing morals clauses why the economy forces us back into caves.
 
Your argument fails on several points.

First, this "news" is eight years old. It was known when McCain was running in 2000. Yet the Gray Whore waited until the height of the primary season to drop this turd in McCain's punch bowl. No accident there, Bill Keller's protestations to the contrary notwithstanding. :)

Second, I do not believe anyone has accused Mr. McCain of committing perjury as a result of his alleged dalliance.

Third, if you are suggesting a bunch of anonymous sources cited by a partisan rag like the Treason Times have "credibility," I do have some shore front property to sell you. . . in Arizona.
 
Additional info on the McCain bimbo eruptions.

A sworn deposition that Sen. John McCain gave in a lawsuit more than five years ago appears to contradict one part of a sweeping denial that his campaign issued this week to rebut a New York Times story about his ties to a Washington lobbyist.

On Wednesday night the Times published a story suggesting that McCain might have done legislative favors for the clients of the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, who worked for the firm of Alcalde & Fay. One example it cited were two letters McCain wrote in late 1999 demanding that the Federal Communications Commission act on a long-stalled bid by one of Iseman's clients, Florida-based Paxson Communications, to purchase a Pittsburgh television station.

Just hours after the Times's story was posted, the McCain campaign issued a point-by-point response that depicted the letters as routine correspondence handled by his staff—and insisted that McCain had never even spoken with anybody from Paxson or Alcalde & Fay about the matter. "No representative of Paxson or Alcalde & Fay personally asked Senator McCain to send a letter to the FCC," the campaign said in a statement e-mailed to reporters.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/114505


But wait, there's more. McCain crony indicted for involvement in organized crime.
McMob
Posted by Lew Rockwell at February 22, 2008 12:56 PM

Figures in the Arizona Republican party have long had organized crime connections. Now McCain's AZ chairman has been indicted, and McCain himself has some splainin' to do about his connections with the Mafia. (Thanks to Maurycy Pietrzak.)


I smell something.
 
Are there any trustworthy sources left?
Sure. The search is not for perfection. It’s for news sources in which articles are constructed from at least some concrete proof and not fashioned from 100-percent purely anecdotal stories, zero evidence, and completely lacking any sourcing, not to mention being in the works since November 2007 before the paper’s endorsement of the article’s target on January 25, 2008. Lots and lots - in fact, nothing but - ethical problems in all of that.

Seems to me like there are plenty of news sources, many of which I don’t even like, that would meet those minimums. The problem with the NYT is that it constantly fails, not that it rarely or occasionally fails.
 
Well, then there's newsweek, the Washington Post, and others.

All have stories that are thoroughly vetted about McCain's long history of disrepute.
 
I would say that the Washington Post's version is the far better of the two. It includes attributions for reported statements, rather than vague innuendo. It also suggests that McCain showed favoritism toward certain lobbyists, and that Iseman was making exaggerated statements about her connections to McCain so as to impress her people, whereas the NYT version heavily suggested a sexual relationship between McCain and Iseman.

Favoritism toward certain lobbyists is vastly different from a sexual relationship, even if the two things overlap. Whatever conclusions anyone ultimately draws, the starting points are very different and for most people will lead them to very different conclusions.
 
Favoritism toward certain lobbyists is vastly different from a sexual relationship, even if the two things overlap. Whatever conclusions anyone ultimately draws, the starting points are very different and for most people will lead them to very different conclusions.

McCain is the big paragon virtue when it comes to lobbyists isn't he?


Remember the Keating Five?
McCain’s own standards would have hung him.
by Mark Levin

For too long, McCain has been given a free pass by the media, which promotes campaign-finance reform to silence other voices, and by his Republican colleagues, who are concerned about alienating McCain given the GOP's tenuous majority in the Senate.

In John McCain's America, any politician who accepts a large contribution or gift from a donor, and then takes steps consistent with the donor's interests — even though there is no legal quid pro quo — is corrupt. Well, then, by his own standard, McCain is corrupt.

http://www.nationalreview.com/contributors/levin040501.shtml

McCain was the only Republican implicated in the Keating Five scandal, yet today he lectures his party and his president about "the corrupting influence" of money in politics. He rails against the so-called "wealthy special interests" and their ability to buy access to elected officials, yet this is precisely what the Keating Five scandal was all about. And, of course, under McCain's current standard, a politician who takes a principled position that may benefit a donor is corrupt, even if no law has been violated.

The John McCain of old should be thankful that his political fate wasn't determined by John McCain the reformer.
 
You'll get no argument from me about that.

All I want is to base my like or dislike of a candidate on credible news.
 
You'll get no argument from me about that.

All I want is to base my like or dislike of a candidate on credible news.

The NYT is a mouth piece for the left they have no credibility.

The timing of the release of the story, the playing fast and loose with the facts, the innuendo were all designed and crafted to damage McCain nothing less.
 
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