Ithaca M1 1911 A1 heirloom

$1,400? Yeah, we'll go with that, NOT! :)
He never told me how he got it home. He was a test pilot based out of Fla. So it probably wasn't too hard. He was a Captain. Flew the P51 also.
I don't care how he got it, just that I now have it. We suspect he flew for the CIA after the war. He never talked about it.

I have a few newspaper clippings about him. They have been scanned and digitized for future generations.
 

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Great pics of a fine old piece! I am glad you have something to remember him by.

My wife and I recently got to talking, and it turned out that our grandfathers probably served together.

Her grandpa went the whole nine yards: North Africa, Italy, Southern France landing, the Bulge, Germany. He was in the infantry.

Mine was a FAO. He went through Italy, Southern France landing, the Bulge, and Germany.

Neither of them was the same ever again. Their nerves never really recovered.

We are going to get their full service records so that we can compare and see if they were in any units together.

Grandpa did have a Colt 1908, but Grandma gave it away in one of those gun turn in things. :mad:
 
The word liberated here,I think is inappropriate.The sidearm was the soldier's last line of defense in combat,it can't be then hard to understand that upon
return from the war and considering those men remained in the Reserve,their
weapon remained with them.Those pistols were not liberated or anything else
they remained in the Reserve like the soldiers who fought with them.
 
Wow a test pilot that was an early version P51 they did em up different after. Opened up canopy and later scrapped the Merlin engine for the Rolls Royce engine. I think I'm not a historian. But very cool.
 
Polyphemus, Have you ever served in the military? The reason I ask is to the best of my knowledge, firearms were never issued on a permanent basis to anyone in the military.

The word liberated is a very kind word. The word stolen from the military is a very harsh term. On the side of the OP's pistol it states U.S. Government Property.

Also to the best of my knowledge, even back many years ago, when you left one assignment and went to another you turned your firearm in and received another when you reached your new duty assignment.

As I have stated before, I own a M1911 that I have to assume was at some point "liberated". The U.S. Government no longer cares, but as some point in past times, the Government did care and it became lost, destroyed or stolen property. It was a controlled end item on a property book.
 
ok,lamar
I understand that sidearms are not issued on a permanent basis but those were
different times and we have I think to be kind in our judgement of those soldiers.This is not really an issue I simply can not bring myself to think about
those pistols as other than war relics.
 
I have a 1944 Remington Rand M1911A1. I also have the paperwork where it was sold by the DCM in 1960.

Just because someone has an M1911 that has U.S. Government Property on the side of it does not mean that it was stolen.

Just because someone's grandfather had an M1911 that was the "one he carried in the war," does not mean that was the exact same one. The story may be that. Or it may be that he bought one from the DCM that was like the one he carried in the war.

The Remington Rand that I bought, was just like the one I carried in the war, except for the last two digits of the serial number. It's not the one I carried in the war, but it is just like it.

My grandson already digs it. I imagine that it's gonna go to him.
 
^^^^ This is so true. Since you have the paperwork where it was sold, can you refresh my memory on the sale price by the Government? I want to say like $27.50 plus a couple of dollars shipping cost. I have heard where some folks even kept the box it was shipped in to them along with the sales receipt.

Many of us are still hoping the CMP will be selling the remaining Government M1911A1's off in the next year or two. Don't expect it to be for a pittance.

Ok, let me share some of my past military time and stolen weapons. It happened from time to time. In one case back in the early 1970's a fine young man with a very promising career made a terrible mistake and stole a M1911A1 from a unit in the 1st Infantry Division. It took about a week to recovery the pistol after a frantic search and investigation. The pistol was recovered and the young soldier was court martialed. He ended up with prison time and a Dishonorable Discharge. I suspect it ruined his life and made a lot of other peoples lives very miserable for the week the gun was missing. The Army even takes the theft or loss of a fully automatic weapon like the M-16, back then, more serious. I saw cases where numerous units of the Division was sent to the field searching for one rifle. In several cases I can recall, the Unit Commander was relieved of his command and I seem to recall even the 1st Sergeant. Of course, if it was a theft the soldier was dealt with severe punishment. The loss of a weapon is investigated and also since it is a property book end item has to be handled with a Report of Survey. This has ruined people's careers and lives.

I understand this does not occur when there are losses during direct combat action during a war/conflict. I also understand that just because an individual brought back a U.S. Government firearm does not mean he was the person who stole it. He may of simply bought it from the person who "liberated" it.
Now is stealing from Uncle Sam/tax payer as bad as stealing from a person or another source? Some seem to thing not. There are procedures for bringing back war trophy's but the person doing so completes the application and will also have the completed approval documents.

I can see the good and the very bad of a liberated firearm. We do not normally hear the bad things that may of gone on when a weapon was not loss during combat action back during the first half of the 20th Century. Most of those stories are already in the grave. :(
 
Mine was sold in July, 1961 for $12.50 and there was a Packing and Shipping charge of $4.50 for it to be shipped to the original buyer by the Railway Express Agency.

Grand total was $17.00.

It cost me a lot more than that. But since it was so close to the one I carried in Desert Storm, it was worth it to me.
 
I enjoy hearing part of the history almost as much as seeing the pistol itself. It should add value to firearm. Thanks for sharing. :)
 
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