JeepHammer
Moderator
Hdwhit,
It's SO HARD to tell people this stuff is generic. With all the 'Custom' & 'Competition' dies and gadgets out there it's REAL EASY to loose track of what the original objective is...
Which is to beat the brass into a shape that fits YOUR chamber...
What it's so hard to tell folks, it takes $20 worth of very basic stuff to make a common die fit YOUR chamber BETTER (not 'Perfect', but much better).
AND,
We are RELAODERS, considering the longevity of the brass *Should* be a priority...
NOT overworking the brass prolongs the left of the brass. Period.
Honing out the neck of a common $20 die does that. No need to buy a die with a selection of neck inserts since you are only going to use ONE, saving $100+ dollars when working with your favorite brass.
If you have a different brass you want to try, it's $20 for a common sizing die... You are still up $80.
Honing the pilot of a trimmer makes the trimmer functional with the brass the OP is using. Period.
Absolutely no sense in having a trimmer the pilot doesn't fit your brass, and who knows what it will cost to have a custom pilot made... When 10 cents of worth of Emery cloth & a free paint stick will do the job.
People resist buying a case gauge... I don't know why...
If for no other reason it's a shoulder (Datum Line) stop so you can get a relative or absolute chamber length reading (using fired, then resized brass & caliper) that let's you adjust dies to exactly produce brass that fits the body of the chamber.
Without a Datum Line stop, there is simply no other way to get that reading.
Since barrels/rifles don't commonly come with a die & gauge that was cut with the same reamer used on the barrel so everything matches, you have to find your proper brass Datum Line length so it fits the headspace, then you don't have to beat the brass back several thousandths every time work hardening the brass more each time.
Seems like common sense to me, but the world seems to rant against common sense lately, for what ever reason... I believe in identification of objectives, then working to those objectives and forgetting the rest of the crap that works against you or just wastes your time & distracts you from the objective...
It's SO HARD to tell people this stuff is generic. With all the 'Custom' & 'Competition' dies and gadgets out there it's REAL EASY to loose track of what the original objective is...
Which is to beat the brass into a shape that fits YOUR chamber...
What it's so hard to tell folks, it takes $20 worth of very basic stuff to make a common die fit YOUR chamber BETTER (not 'Perfect', but much better).
AND,
We are RELAODERS, considering the longevity of the brass *Should* be a priority...
NOT overworking the brass prolongs the left of the brass. Period.
Honing out the neck of a common $20 die does that. No need to buy a die with a selection of neck inserts since you are only going to use ONE, saving $100+ dollars when working with your favorite brass.
If you have a different brass you want to try, it's $20 for a common sizing die... You are still up $80.
Honing the pilot of a trimmer makes the trimmer functional with the brass the OP is using. Period.
Absolutely no sense in having a trimmer the pilot doesn't fit your brass, and who knows what it will cost to have a custom pilot made... When 10 cents of worth of Emery cloth & a free paint stick will do the job.
People resist buying a case gauge... I don't know why...
If for no other reason it's a shoulder (Datum Line) stop so you can get a relative or absolute chamber length reading (using fired, then resized brass & caliper) that let's you adjust dies to exactly produce brass that fits the body of the chamber.
Without a Datum Line stop, there is simply no other way to get that reading.
Since barrels/rifles don't commonly come with a die & gauge that was cut with the same reamer used on the barrel so everything matches, you have to find your proper brass Datum Line length so it fits the headspace, then you don't have to beat the brass back several thousandths every time work hardening the brass more each time.
Seems like common sense to me, but the world seems to rant against common sense lately, for what ever reason... I believe in identification of objectives, then working to those objectives and forgetting the rest of the crap that works against you or just wastes your time & distracts you from the objective...
the case has to be sized after forming and the die is designed to trim the case when forming.