Is your home defense shotgun pump or semi-auto?
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I was one of the ones that looked but didn't vote - just curious to see if I'd have an excuse to post this:
Compliments of the Box'OTruth
L.C. Smith SxS 12Ga. backed up by a P239 in 357SIG. The 870's are kept in the wrong room and too long in the barrel - I may address that in the future.
...and I wasn't disappointed.
Compliments of the Box'OTruth
L.C. Smith SxS 12Ga. backed up by a P239 in 357SIG. The 870's are kept in the wrong room and too long in the barrel - I may address that in the future.
I use a Berreta 390 w/28 guage barrel. I could never see buying a seperate HD gun that had no other sporting purpose than sitting in my house waiting for the possibility of an intruder. My house was broken into a couple of months ago, the jerks were at least smart enough to be sure I wasn't home and I am sure they rang the doorbell several times too, just to be sure I wasn't there. I often wonder about the extended magazines and their actual usefulness. If for some reason a crook was DUMB enough to enter my home while I was there, I would not be standing up confronting him, I would be on the floor (where a semi is required to self load and not reveal myself),where he isn't going to expect me to be, behind as much wall or cover as possible. The last thing I am going to do is rack a round in (to scare him)so he gets the opportunity to know where I am. If he is facing me with a gun, I will simply shoot him, if his back is to me I will give him the chance to hit the floor voluntarily, if not, he will hit the floor anyways. I don't think in any case I would need more than 2 rounds to neutralize the threat, much less 6 to 8 shots. The high capacity short shotties look cool and mean, but I don't think a HD situation is going to be a recreation of the Alamo or D-day. I trust my 390 to function every trigger pull with no additional work on my part or have to expose my body to a perp. I have shot the 390, 1000's of times skeet shooting and it has never failed to function, never. I have heard ALL the stories why pump guns are better, I just don't buy it. I think it is about seeing too much TV and close ups of people shucking shells. Anyhow, that is my opinion..... let my flaming begin 
Dozerpilot
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18" 870 here. If I had the money it would have been a Super 90 instead.
Did a lot of Trapshooting with an 1100. No matter how clean and well maintained, the semi's seem to have more misfires than the pumps. Dirty gas cylinder or powder residue in firing pin/spring assy was main cause. Shooting for fun can tolerate these misfires. In a semi, one has to take one hand off the weapon and cycle the bolt. On a pump, not so. Rack in another round (if it ever does misfire) and get back to business.
Another factor for me. My 1100 only held 5 in the mag tube. My Mossy 500-ATP8 holds 8. If it turns into a running battle I have 5 more on the stock and 25 in a bandolier.
Another factor for me. My 1100 only held 5 in the mag tube. My Mossy 500-ATP8 holds 8. If it turns into a running battle I have 5 more on the stock and 25 in a bandolier.
I have owned several 1100's in my life. and as long as they were clean,,they worked. In your post you say,,, dirty this and dirty that, sorry, if the gun is halfway clean it will work. I wouldn't expect any dirty gun to function for me, that is whY I clean them after use. I have shot many 1000's of shots with auto's and never had a problem. I think the problem is with those that just don't like semi's and are convinced pumps are better. I wonder why the Army, Marines etc don't have pump rifles if auto's are so inferior and prone to not working. As far as a running battle goes, what are the chances of that. Seriously, you catch a perp in your house, how many shots will it take to end it. What makes you think if you don't get the first shot off, you will get a chance at a second or a third or more shots much less a running battle. C'mon guys, this isn't a Rambo movie. If you want a pump, God bless you, but please stop knocking auto's as being useless, it simply shows your lack of knowledge about them and their dependability. A clean auto will perform every time,, period, everything else is simply BS and some kind of Macho thinking.
jhgreasemonkey
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I HAVE A FRIEND WHO SERVES IN THE U.S. SPECIAL FORCES AND HE TOLD ME THAT THEY ALWAYS LIKE TO EQUIP ONE MAN ON THEIR FIRE TEAM WITH A PUMP 12 GUAGE SHOTGUN. THE REASON IS THAT THEY ARE MORE RELIABLE IN A COMBAT SITUATION. AND SUPPOSEDLY YOU CAN ACTUALY FIRE A PUMP ACTION FASTER. HERE IS AN PART OF AN ARTICLE ON THIS SUBJECT:
Background: Various models of shotgun have been in service use since 1901. The current inventory consists of four different 12 gauge shotgun models: Remington 870, Winchester 1200, Mossberg 500, and Mossberg 590. (Weight and length of the weapon depend on the manufacturer.)
Background: Various models of shotgun have been in service use since 1901. The current inventory consists of four different 12 gauge shotgun models: Remington 870, Winchester 1200, Mossberg 500, and Mossberg 590. (Weight and length of the weapon depend on the manufacturer.)
Dozerpilot
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In all my time in the USAF, the only shotgun I have seen was an 870. It belonged to the Security Forces Squadron special response team, and it was set up specifcly as a breaching gun. I spoke to my brother in law, a Marine, on the phone one night while he was holding a Benelli pump. I think he said it was an M3. I'll always keep my 870, but I'd still like to have a Super 90 or a 1187P.
muddinman_04
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Pump
Mossberg 500 pump. Side saddle, Butler Creek folding stock, and some 00 buck shot.
Mossberg 500 pump. Side saddle, Butler Creek folding stock, and some 00 buck shot.
Ruger4570 I agree with you.
My defense shotgun is a Ted Williams 300 (same as Win 1400)
Carried it for bird hunting and many years and MANY hundreds of rounds later trust it 100%
It has never malfunctioned, ever.
It now has an 18" barrel and while it only holds 2 rounds in the magazine, I in no way feel under gunned with 3 shots total.
When I shot clay pigeons with it I got in the habit of 'shoot one load one'
My defense shotgun is a Ted Williams 300 (same as Win 1400)
Carried it for bird hunting and many years and MANY hundreds of rounds later trust it 100%
It has never malfunctioned, ever.
It now has an 18" barrel and while it only holds 2 rounds in the magazine, I in no way feel under gunned with 3 shots total.
When I shot clay pigeons with it I got in the habit of 'shoot one load one'
303britt: Thanks for the agreement. I have heard ALL the discussions about pump vs auto, most have complaints about auto's not functioning, especially when dirty,, DUH!! You want to trust your life to a dirty gun..even a pump the argument is pointless and basically dumb. I have owned MANY auto's and never had one ever fail to function if kept even "reasonably" clean. I shoot many thousands of shots in competition every year and use an auto most of the time. I read a post that a pump can fire faster than an auto, well I have $100.00 bucks I will bet that I can shoot my auto a lot faster at a target and hit it.
I can't see any problem with 3 shots in a gun, unless you are completly incompetent and the worlds worst shooter. 3 is probably 2 more than you should need. I read about "running gun battles" and the need for 25 to 30 rounds of ammo.. that is movie stuff, not real life. I cannot immagine a bad guy(s) wanting to engage in this, at least not in the usual breakin situation. In fact, most of them want to be sure you are NOT at home and will flee if discovered. For example, when was the last time you heard about a homeowner firing 10 shots or more to defuse a situation. It happens in movies "where bullets make sparks" and is not an everyday occurance. Out of the millions of people that have guns, how many have ever been robbed, broken into when they were home and of those, how many fired more than one shot. Being prepared makes sense, being Rambo is simply macho fantacy based on no facts whatever.
I can't see any problem with 3 shots in a gun, unless you are completly incompetent and the worlds worst shooter. 3 is probably 2 more than you should need. I read about "running gun battles" and the need for 25 to 30 rounds of ammo.. that is movie stuff, not real life. I cannot immagine a bad guy(s) wanting to engage in this, at least not in the usual breakin situation. In fact, most of them want to be sure you are NOT at home and will flee if discovered. For example, when was the last time you heard about a homeowner firing 10 shots or more to defuse a situation. It happens in movies "where bullets make sparks" and is not an everyday occurance. Out of the millions of people that have guns, how many have ever been robbed, broken into when they were home and of those, how many fired more than one shot. Being prepared makes sense, being Rambo is simply macho fantacy based on no facts whatever.
Glockamolie
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Winchester 1200 7-shot. Bought it for $125 out the door at a gun show. There was a rack of 'em; take your pick. They were from a local Sheriff's Dept. Mine was marked for the Jail Division, so it was probably carried and shot less than a patrol shotgun. It's not rough, but I also didn't have the displeasure of putting the first scratch on it, either! 